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   George Takei :verified: 🏳️‍🌈🖖🏽 (georgetakei@universeodon.com)'s status on Thursday, 14-Dec-2023 06:34:00 JST George Takei :verified: 🏳️‍🌈🖖🏽

   If impregnating men were held legally responsible for unwanted pregnancies and criminally charged if they were terminated, none of these abortion ban laws would ever have been passed.

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     🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱 (freemo@qoto.org)'s status on Thursday, 14-Dec-2023 06:37:33 JST 🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱

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     @georgetakei

     How could a man be criminally charged for an act he didnt do? As for the man being financially responsible, that would only be fair if the woman didnt have a right to forfit the child for adoption either. Not sure that would help if im being honest.

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     George Takei :verified: 🏳️‍🌈🖖🏽 (georgetakei@universeodon.com)'s status on Thursday, 14-Dec-2023 07:12:35 JST George Takei :verified: 🏳️‍🌈🖖🏽

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     • PixiePancake

     @MissPixiePancake 👏

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     George Takei :verified: 🏳️‍🌈🖖🏽 (georgetakei@universeodon.com)'s status on Thursday, 14-Dec-2023 07:12:35 JST George Takei :verified: 🏳️‍🌈🖖🏽

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     • Cheradenine Zakalwe

     @zakalwe 100%.

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     PixiePancake (misspixiepancake@mstdn.social)'s status on Thursday, 14-Dec-2023 07:12:36 JST PixiePancake

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     @georgetakei I can’t tell you how enraged I am that women are being put through this. Women should vote en masse, in a red hot fury, to secure the rights over their own bodies in 2024. Vote blue!

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     Cheradenine Zakalwe (zakalwe@plasmatrap.com)'s status on Thursday, 14-Dec-2023 07:12:41 JST Cheradenine Zakalwe

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     @georgetakei@universeodon.com I've heard it said before, "If men got pregnant, abortion would be a sacrament."

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     🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱 (freemo@qoto.org)'s status on Thursday, 14-Dec-2023 19:23:06 JST 🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱

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     • LexiGirl

     @LexiGirl

     Yup as was the woman, so both should have equal responsibility. That means if the woman has the right to forgit the baby and not take care of it (such as giving it up for adoption) the man should have equal right.

     @georgetakei

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     LexiGirl (lexigirl@mstdn.social)'s status on Thursday, 14-Dec-2023 19:23:07 JST LexiGirl

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     • 🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱

     @freemo @georgetakei but the man was partly responsible for putting the baby there in the first place.

     If you’re part of a gang that robs a bank, and your only job is to drive the getaway vehicle, you’re still liable for the robbery.

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     George Snorewell (doesntexist@mastodon.social)'s status on Thursday, 14-Dec-2023 19:28:32 JST George Snorewell

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     • 🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱

     @freemo @georgetakei
     iTs NoT fAiR

     LOL

     Okay, so, legal system 101: anyone can be criminally charged for an act they did not do... that's why there's a trial, with a judge, a defense lawyer, a jury, etc.

     And, like, there's evidence and stuff. Like, wow, they can pretty easily determine if the dude is the dad, so... can you connect the dots from here?

     Also, "forfeit" is the preferred spelling, not "forfit."

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     🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱 (freemo@qoto.org)'s status on Thursday, 14-Dec-2023 19:28:32 JST 🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱

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     • George Snorewell

     @DoesntExist

     I see you completely missed the point. Its not about if the court can determine who the dad is. Its that it makes no sense to hold someone accountable for someone elses actions. The same way I would say its a rediculous to hold a woman accountable for a child a rapist produced.

     @georgetakei

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     🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱 (freemo@qoto.org)'s status on Thursday, 14-Dec-2023 19:39:49 JST 🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱

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     • LexiGirl

     @LexiGirl

     Correct because right now the man gets no authority. Even when abortion was legal a man had no say if they didnt want their child aborted (not saying this is a wrong legal thing, just that it is fact). If what the man wants has no effect on the outcome then neither should thepenalty.

     Are you suggesting that a woman should only be allowed to have an abortion if the man approves?

     @georgetakei

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     LexiGirl (lexigirl@mstdn.social)'s status on Thursday, 14-Dec-2023 19:39:50 JST LexiGirl

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     @freemo @georgetakei similarly, if they BOTH wish to terminate the pregnancy, currently only the WOMAN would/could face charges.

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     🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱 (freemo@qoto.org)'s status on Thursday, 14-Dec-2023 19:46:01 JST 🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱

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     • LexiGirl

     @LexiGirl

     where did I say that??

     Where did I say you said that… If you had said it I wouldnt have had to ask would I?

     @georgetakei

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     LexiGirl (lexigirl@mstdn.social)'s status on Thursday, 14-Dec-2023 19:46:02 JST LexiGirl

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     • 🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱

     @freemo @georgetakei where did I say that?? If a man isn’t willing to accept that the woman has ultimate control over her own body, then the solution is simple- he should abstain.

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     🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱 (freemo@qoto.org)'s status on Thursday, 14-Dec-2023 19:48:51 JST 🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱

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     • LexiGirl

     @LexiGirl

     Now this is different than what you said.. WANTING her to get an abortion isnt a crime. Actually aiding her in caring it out by facilitating it (such as driving her) would be.

     @georgetakei

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     LexiGirl (lexigirl@mstdn.social)'s status on Thursday, 14-Dec-2023 19:48:52 JST LexiGirl

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     • 🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱

     @freemo @georgetakei read what I said - if they BOTH want the pregnancy to end, why is the woman the only only to face charges? he can impregbabt, drive the woman to the abortion clinic and pick her up but he faces no consequences?

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     🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱 (freemo@qoto.org)'s status on Thursday, 14-Dec-2023 19:49:45 JST 🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱

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     • LexiGirl

     @LexiGirl

     But by similar logic if she gets her female friend to drive her to the clinic out of sympathy that friend is also going to get in the exact same level of trouble (jail time in some cases)

     @georgetakei

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     🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱 (freemo@qoto.org)'s status on Thursday, 14-Dec-2023 20:10:33 JST 🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱

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     @LexiGirl

     I just did a search for the word "forfeiting" to fiund what comment you were referencing and nothing came up. Which comment do you mean?

     @georgetakei

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     LexiGirl (lexigirl@mstdn.social)'s status on Thursday, 14-Dec-2023 20:10:35 JST LexiGirl

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     • 🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱

     @freemo @georgetakei fair enough. Although your comments regarding a women ‘forfeiting’ her baby overlooks the fact that the woman is still forced to carry the baby to term against her will. This is barbaric. Again, if a man is not willing to accept that a woman has full bodily autonomy, he should abstain.

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     🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱 (freemo@qoto.org)'s status on Friday, 15-Dec-2023 02:07:42 JST 🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱

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     • LexiGirl

     @LexiGirl

     Ahh ok that explains it. Thanks.

     @georgetakei

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     LexiGirl (lexigirl@mstdn.social)'s status on Friday, 15-Dec-2023 02:07:44 JST LexiGirl

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     • 🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱

     @freemo @georgetakei - here. You said forfit but I assume you mean forfeit?