Siguza
Gmail has once again blacklisted my mail server because of the SIX emails I have sent in the entirety of December so far, because obviously that constitutes "an unusual rate of unsolicited mail".
I set up SPF, DKIM, DMARC, first get lumped in with a bad /24 IP block, slowly build up a reputation as a non-spammy IP, etc. etc., but none of that matters.
This is nothing but a racketeering scheme to force everyone to pay for Gmail for business.
Cryptoparty Köln-Bonn
@siguza It looks like other people are facing the same issue https://cfenollosa.com/blog/after-self-hosting-my-email-for-twenty-three-years-i-have-thrown-in-the-towel-the-oligopoly-has-won.html
decibyte
@jloc0 @siguza I've arrived at the extremist standpoint that we should all actively "defederate" from Big Email. They screw with us, we give them the middle finger, building a better internet without them.
Jay Lanagan
@siguza the way I see it at this point is, google is doing me the favor of not communicating with any users of google services. Which was kinda the goal of running my own mail server (avoiding google). If people want to use gmail, they won’t be communicating with me. I’ve no issue getting/sending mail with any reputable company, just google. 🤷♂️
decibyte
@jloc0 this artwork, from The Prodigy's album Music for the Jilted Generation, for some reason came to my mind:
Jay Lanagan
@decibyte i honestly 100% agree with this.
🌱 Ligniform :donor:
@siguza google making the web harder for individuals to use as they want, forcing them to use their own products???? Never
feld
:debian: 𝚜𝚎𝚕𝚎𝚊 :opensuse:
Sending emails over IPv6 has always been tricky, and the screenshot perfectly describes it.
How long ago did you enable IPv6?
Siguza
@selea I like how this is literally the email version of judging people by the colour of their skin.
Again, this is not a technical problem. I've attached the message I got from gmail below. They tell me they've received "an unusual rate of unsolicited mail originating from your SPF domain". They're lying. I checked my outgoing mail logs, this was the first email sent to gmail in over 2 weeks. And anything trying to send in my name but not going through my mail server should surely fail due to SPF and DKIM.
This is not a technical problem, it's a corporate politics problem where Gmail doesn't like any party that isn't paying them. There's hundreds of thousands of cases of this on the net, and the one "solution" that works for people is paying some big email provider.
:debian: 𝚜𝚎𝚕𝚎𝚊 :opensuse:
That's great, just asked since it was not mentioned in the original post.
Personally, chopsing the right ISP/Hosting provider is the most crucial part of mail-server hosting. Since basically everything boils down to how "clean" the subnet are
Siguza
@selea you mean rDNS? Yes ofc. When I enabled IPv6 on my server and got 10 addresses assigned, email delivery failed immediately because I had only set it up for the first IP, so I had to fix that then and there.
But I've been able to send mail to Gmail for many years, though this isn't the first time I've been banned for absolutely no reason. This is not a technical issue.
:debian: 𝚜𝚎𝚕𝚎𝚊 :opensuse:
PTR is correct too?
feld
Siguza
@feld @selea the DMARC reports I get are mixed between IPv4 and IPv6. Sometimes only one type, sometimes both. So yeah, I'm pretty sure I can reach them over IPv6.
feld
Siguza
connect from mail-ej1-x643.google.com[2a00:1450:4864:20::643]
connect from mail-lj1-x22d.google.com[2a00:1450:4864:20::22d]
So yes, they do initiate over IPv6 themselves.
feld
:debian: 𝚜𝚎𝚕𝚎𝚊 :opensuse:
Indeed they are.
This is the reason I stopped delivery over IPv6 to google and microsoft.
I suspect that they dont trust ipv6-networks that much since basically everyone can get their own range for free.
IPv4-only seems to do the trick (atleast for me and the orgs I have worked for)
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