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   MarkRNay (markrnay@ravenation.club)'s status on Wednesday, 06-Dec-2023 13:21:20 JST MarkRNay

   • Thomas 🔭🕹️

   @thomasfuchs they are literally google. That tells you to not trust them for ANYTHING

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     Zimmie (bob_zim@infosec.exchange)'s status on Wednesday, 06-Dec-2023 13:21:43 JST Zimmie

     • Thomas 🔭🕹️

     @thomasfuchs Gets even more interesting. In the terms of service, they say you must opt out by emailing arbitrationoptout@23andme.com, and if you don’t, you agree to arbitration. They could argue writing only to legal@ (which is the what the “notify us” link does) is not enough.

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     MarkRNay (markrnay@ravenation.club)'s status on Wednesday, 06-Dec-2023 13:26:09 JST MarkRNay

     • Thomas 🔭🕹️

     @thomasfuchs they are effectively owned by google, founder of 23 and me is married to a google founder. I am pretty sure google now owns them or at least controlling interest

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     Graham Sutherland / Polynomial (gsuberland@chaos.social)'s status on Wednesday, 06-Dec-2023 13:27:46 JST Graham Sutherland / Polynomial

     • Thomas 🔭🕹️
     • Zimmie

     @thomasfuchs @bob_zim might wanna edit that detail into your post, so folks can see the discrepancy without clicking through to replies.

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     boojit (boojit@mastodon.pundo.com)'s status on Wednesday, 06-Dec-2023 21:53:55 JST boojit

     • Thomas 🔭🕹️

     @thomasfuchs Strange, the email I received from them matches the text in your screenshot, but it asks me to email legal@23andme.com and not the email address you list here.

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     Alex Swan (boldbigflank@mas.to)'s status on Wednesday, 06-Dec-2023 23:58:35 JST Alex Swan

     • Thomas 🔭🕹️

     @thomasfuchs You can infer acceptance through lack of response? I've got to add that clause to my job applications.

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     Julian Cohen (hockeyinjune@infosec.exchange)'s status on Thursday, 07-Dec-2023 01:07:23 JST Julian Cohen

     • Thomas 🔭🕹️

     @thomasfuchs It appears we need to email legal@23andme.com.

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     javi@goblin.band's status on Thursday, 07-Dec-2023 01:29:41 JST javi

     • Thomas 🔭🕹️

     Isn't it 100% legally void to say "these are the new terms you agree with, if not, it's on you to say you don't"?

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     Dmitry Borodaenko (angdraug@mastodon.social)'s status on Thursday, 07-Dec-2023 06:44:20 JST Dmitry Borodaenko

     • Thomas 🔭🕹️

     @thomasfuchs Ars Technica story: https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2023/12/23andme-changes-arbitration-terms-after-hack-impacting-millions/

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     mark zero (markzero@c.im)'s status on Wednesday, 13-Dec-2023 23:42:06 JST mark zero

     • Thomas 🔭🕹️

     @thomasfuchs The WaPo link in your Patreon post mentions they'll be hanging onto our "anonymized" genetic data even after we delete our accounts. Pretty sure when I signed up in 2011 they promised they'd destroy the sample and data on demand. (Of course, they also promised never to bring back the subscription when that failed the first time around; so much for their promises)