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   Kale (hunter@alaskan.social)'s status on Monday, 04-Dec-2023 01:10:56 JST Kale

   When Donald #trump wins, nimby #democrats are going to blame young people and Arab Americans when in truth it is #Biden who would be at fault due to his support for #Genocide and big oil. If the Democratic party fails to run a candidate that can win against a fascist, it is the party’s fault.

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     gnutelephony (gnutelephony@floss.social)'s status on Monday, 04-Dec-2023 01:10:53 JST gnutelephony

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     @Hunter and here is the problem, it's very simple. The DNC believes nobody has any other choice anyway, so they can persue whatever policy their donors prefer. The Peronists said essentially the same to the voters in Argentina. It was not some "love fest" for Melai, but rather it was this kind of arrogance and belief in doing things the same way because people "had no choice" that turned voters away. This is a tried and true formula for failure.

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     gnutelephony (gnutelephony@floss.social)'s status on Monday, 04-Dec-2023 15:23:35 JST gnutelephony

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     @Hunter @TruthSandwich@toad.social 2016 all over again. In 2016 various Native American groups came to the DNC asking what we could do and what could they do for our issues. We were basically told "get lost", "we don't need your vote", "who you going to vote for, anyway?" "Indians don't bring in donor money". The margin Hillary lost Wisconsin and Michigan by was smaller that the size of the native community in those states, many of whom indeed got lost and did not vote, or even voted Trump.

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     Kale (hunter@alaskan.social)'s status on Monday, 04-Dec-2023 15:23:37 JST Kale

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     @TruthSandwich @gnutelephony 🤷♀️Your take on #abandonbiden doesn’t matter. The votes do. “Biden won Michigan in 2020 by 2.8% of the vote. Arab Americans account for 5% of the vote, according to the Arab American Institute.” If dems don’t want a Trump presidency I advise they take the grievances of key voting blocks to heart. Whether you think it’s tactful is irrelevant - people are over the BS lesser of two evils argument and it will show in 2024 unless something changes

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     TruthSandwich (truthsandwich@toad.social)'s status on Monday, 04-Dec-2023 15:23:38 JST TruthSandwich

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     @Hunter @gnutelephony

     The power to cut off your own nose to spite your face is, I guess, a *kind* of power. But why use it?

     Biden is the only thing standing between Bibi and a flattened Gaza.

     #AbandonBiden is the dumbest take possible.

     https://www.axios.com/2023/11/29/biden-netanyahu-gaza-israel-military-palestinian-civilians

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     Kale (hunter@alaskan.social)'s status on Monday, 04-Dec-2023 15:23:40 JST Kale

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     @gnutelephony Well said. I’m curious to see if any such campaigns like this gain momentum or shift democratic political calculations (before it is too late). A quote from the person organizing the #abandonbiden campaign, “We are not powerless as American Muslims. We are powerful. We don’t only have the money, but we have the actual votes.” https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/dec/03/muslim-leaders-swing-states-abandon-biden-campaign

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     Kale (hunter@alaskan.social)'s status on Monday, 04-Dec-2023 16:45:23 JST Kale

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     @gnutelephony YES - 100%. Telling specific communities to essentially fuck off has consequences. The mindset I see so frequently on social media of “if Trump is elected it is ____ groups fault for not voting.” I reject this. That is in effect the wealthiest (as you said, disregarded due to lack of money to donate) saying “Fall in line. you and your vote belong to us. Your priorities and your lives don’t matter as much as mine.” It is a devastatingly privileged take.

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     gnutelephony (gnutelephony@floss.social)'s status on Monday, 04-Dec-2023 17:11:40 JST gnutelephony

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     @Hunter another lesson from Argentina is that while that despite many warnings most voters, cynical, simply did not believe Milei will do as he says, yet all were very aware of the existing things the Peronist politicians were actively doing to them that they felt was wrong. A rather similar cynical psychology could prove in play here, too, which is also why telling people "vote blue no matter who, no matter what we do to you" seems a potential path to push voters to Trump instead, too.

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     gnutelephony (gnutelephony@floss.social)'s status on Tuesday, 05-Dec-2023 03:01:40 JST gnutelephony

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     @Hunter the one real hope I still have is that Trump's own incompetence will yet manage to undo him after becoming the GOP nominee, because the DNC's own incredible incompetence seems determined to elect him (or another, less incompetent, GOP fascist waiting in the wings) otherwise.