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   𝚃𝚊𝚛𝚊𝚜 𝙶𝚛𝚎𝚜𝚌𝚘𝚎 🚇 (straphanger@urbanists.social)'s status on Saturday, 02-Dec-2023 18:20:00 JST 𝚃𝚊𝚛𝚊𝚜 𝙶𝚛𝚎𝚜𝚌𝚘𝚎 🚇

   This is impressive!

   #Paris already has 200 school streets, closed to traffic, to protect the safety of children.

   Under its new Priorité Piéton plan, one hundred more will be added.

   In addition...🧵

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     HistoPol (#HP) 🥥 🌴 (histopol@mastodon.social)'s status on Saturday, 02-Dec-2023 18:25:05 JST HistoPol (#HP) 🥥 🌴

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     @straphanger
     Interesting.
     And what do local residents if these streets do with their hard-earned cars and garages/indoor and underground parking spaces? How about people with walking disabilities that live on those streets and delivery services?

     @urbanists.social

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     HistoPol (#HP) 🥥 🌴 (histopol@mastodon.social)'s status on Saturday, 02-Dec-2023 18:31:29 JST HistoPol (#HP) 🥥 🌴

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     • Ned Yeung

     @ned
     Where I live, most accidents occur with bikes since the city "implanted" a bike lane on part of the sidewalk and faster-moving bikers use the sidewalk to pass the slower-moving ones...or some of the many cargo bikes.
     So far, I'm not aware of a crash between a electric cargo bike, which can weigh more than 200kg fully loaded, and others, but I'm sure they happen, too.
     Also, there is s.o. driving in the wrong direction every 15 min. or so.

     The difference in speed b/w a 🚲...
     @straphanger

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     Ned Yeung (ned@mstdn.ca)'s status on Saturday, 02-Dec-2023 18:31:30 JST Ned Yeung

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     @straphanger It is an absolute failure that there is not one single safe path for a child to walk to school, church, the park, or the grocer within blocks in a "quiet" residential zone, because of cars. Small children can't even leave the block anymore without an adult to hold and guide them, as it's freaking dangerous just for us adults to move on our own two feet. Automobiles and dangerous drivers have taken over every square foot of our living space. It's insane.

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     HistoPol (#HP) 🥥 🌴 (histopol@mastodon.social)'s status on Saturday, 02-Dec-2023 18:36:48 JST HistoPol (#HP) 🥥 🌴

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     • Ned Yeung

     @ned @straphanger ...and a slow-moving pedestrian is already unacceptable, with the e-bikes and cargo bikes the momentum becomes unacceptable IMO.
     They should be relegated to the streets, with an additional lane wherever possible, if the bike lane cannot be physically separated from the pedestrians' sidewalk.

     And even if the bike lane is on the street, parking delivery and postal cars blocking the bike lanes often cannot be avoided, as not all parcels can be covered by cargo bikes, I think.

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     HistoPol (#HP) 🥥 🌴 (histopol@mastodon.social)'s status on Saturday, 09-Dec-2023 21:03:39 JST HistoPol (#HP) 🥥 🌴

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     • S.P.Zeidler

     @spz

     "...buildings will have a second side that fronts a street.."

     That solves the issue for this town.

     In most of the cities I know, a block is almost always wider than the depth of one building, so this would not work there, alas.

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     S.P.Zeidler (spz@mastodon.sdf.org)'s status on Saturday, 09-Dec-2023 21:03:40 JST S.P.Zeidler

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     • HistoPol (#HP) 🥥 🌴

     @HistoPol in many cases the residents will not have cars because they not only don't need them to survive, they don't even necessarily add convenience. Otherwise, the buildings will have a second side that fronts a street that is presumably not also a school street.

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     HistoPol (#HP) 🥥 🌴 (histopol@mastodon.social)'s status on Saturday, 09-Dec-2023 21:46:39 JST HistoPol (#HP) 🥥 🌴

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     • S.P.Zeidler

     @spz

     Not that I have seen.

     You mostly cannot cross from one building unit to the next. Mostly, there will be communal walls. If one unit has a patio or garden, they will not to bear the (often quite high) financial burden for maintenance for others. Besides, "green spaces" are rare and frequented downtown, so having neighboring communities access your "greenfields" makes them crowded. Usually, building units will (historically) have either communal walls or the garden will be walled off.

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     S.P.Zeidler (spz@mastodon.sdf.org)'s status on Saturday, 09-Dec-2023 21:46:40 JST S.P.Zeidler

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     • HistoPol (#HP) 🥥 🌴

     @HistoPol I expect town-center residential buildings to be doughnuts with courts in the middle, filling the room between two more-or-less parallel streets, and having gates to both streets. What's the building plan you expect?

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     S.P.Zeidler (spz@mastodon.sdf.org)'s status on Sunday, 10-Dec-2023 00:22:44 JST S.P.Zeidler

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     • HistoPol (#HP) 🥥 🌴

     @HistoPol wait, you're thinking single-household homes, not 10+ households, 5 floor complexes?
     Here's a picture of a gate to the court (found by search engine), they are usually not public: https://www.fotocommunity.de/photo/hinterhof-joachim-kaschta/46060050

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     HistoPol (#HP) 🥥 🌴 (histopol@mastodon.social)'s status on Sunday, 10-Dec-2023 00:22:44 JST HistoPol (#HP) 🥥 🌴

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     • S.P.Zeidler

     @spz

     No, no single or two-family homes.
     Cities in Noth America (San Francisco, NYC,...) Spain (though they do have some picturesque patios,) downtown Vienna, or some cities in southern Germany.
     (There are some newer complexes where you can walk through, but not the postwar buildings.)
     One condominium association mostly doesn't have a street in front of the house and one on the back.