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   Sir Nedwood - Sydney 🇦🇺 (ned@noagendasocial.com)'s status on Thursday, 30-Nov-2023 17:35:03 JST Sir Nedwood - Sydney 🇦🇺

   I find it ironic that people appeal to Victorian era ideals and sensibilities to argue that the west is sexist and patriarchal.

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     Sir Funk ?? (sophistifunk@noagendasocial.com)'s status on Thursday, 30-Nov-2023 17:51:38 JST Sir Funk ??

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     @ned are you saying those victorians weren’t enlightened? They even let the president’s daughter drive a motor-carriage!

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     Sir Nedwood - Sydney 🇦🇺 (ned@noagendasocial.com)'s status on Thursday, 30-Nov-2023 17:51:47 JST Sir Nedwood - Sydney 🇦🇺

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     • PonyPanda

     @PonyPanda "Victorian". As in female head of state.

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     PonyPanda (ponypanda@freespeechextremist.com)'s status on Thursday, 30-Nov-2023 17:51:48 JST PonyPanda

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     @ned what?
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     Sir Nedwood - Sydney 🇦🇺 (ned@noagendasocial.com)'s status on Thursday, 30-Nov-2023 18:44:57 JST Sir Nedwood - Sydney 🇦🇺

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     • charliebrownau

     @charliebrownau @Codeki "The State" is not some special thing that recently came into existence. It's just a word we use to describe the people in charge. There have always been people in change. I would suggest what you have a problem with is the managerial nature of those people.

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     Codeki :njp: (codeki@poa.st)'s status on Thursday, 30-Nov-2023 18:44:58 JST Codeki :njp:

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     • charliebrownau

     @charliebrownau @ned Patriarchy means that men have authority, and do everything important. Non-patriarchy means women have authority, and men have to do everything important without getting any of the benefits of having all the responsibility.

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     charliebrownau (charliebrownau@poa.st)'s status on Thursday, 30-Nov-2023 18:44:58 JST charliebrownau

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     • Codeki :njp:
     @Codeki @ned Disagree
     
     Patroracy = Men have the authority
     Statism = The State has the Authority
     
     With Statism you remove the authority from
     Small Business
     Small Farms
     Family
     Fathers
     Mothers
     Men
     Community
     
     and transfer it ALL to the ((( STATE )))
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     charliebrownau (charliebrownau@poa.st)'s status on Thursday, 30-Nov-2023 18:44:59 JST charliebrownau

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     @ned Does anyone actually really know what Patriarchal/patroracy
     ACTUALLY was
     
     Since you cant have National Federal Statism
     and
     Patroracy
     
     Either men have the AUTHORITY with the responsibilities, burdens and demands
     
     or the STATE has the authority
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     Sir Nedwood - Sydney 🇦🇺 (ned@noagendasocial.com)'s status on Thursday, 30-Nov-2023 18:46:17 JST Sir Nedwood - Sydney 🇦🇺

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     • INPC

     @mxtthxw I'm definitely pro sponge cake myself.

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     INPC (mxtthxw@mxtthxw.art)'s status on Thursday, 30-Nov-2023 18:46:19 JST INPC

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     @ned Who does that? I tend to associate that age with workhouses and colonialism.

     Is it because of Victoria herself? I know she fought hard to obtain her birthright…

     I quite like Victoria sponge cake but that’s a different thing all together.

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     PonyPanda (ponypanda@freespeechextremist.com)'s status on Thursday, 30-Nov-2023 18:51:47 JST PonyPanda

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     @ned "Victorian" means that?
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     Sir Nedwood - Sydney 🇦🇺 (ned@noagendasocial.com)'s status on Thursday, 30-Nov-2023 18:51:47 JST Sir Nedwood - Sydney 🇦🇺

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     • PonyPanda

     @PonyPanda the Victorian era is named after the Queen of England at that time. Queen Victoria. 1837 to 1901. In this thread not a few minutes ago someone made reference to only men having the right to vote during that era, and linking that directly to the word "patriarchy". Meanwhile the ruler of the largest Empire on earth was a woman. Hense the irony.

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     Sir Nedwood - Sydney 🇦🇺 (ned@noagendasocial.com)'s status on Thursday, 30-Nov-2023 19:45:53 JST Sir Nedwood - Sydney 🇦🇺

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     • charliebrownau

     @charliebrownau @Codeki lol ever heard of the word Empire? There has been a few of them prior to 1750. Most of which were none of the things you described.

     The way I see it is there are 4 classes of people in society. Merchant, Warrior, Priest, and Plebeian. At any one point in history, a civilization has one of these classes in power, backed by another, at the expense of the other 2. At least that seems to be the general sway of political power.

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     charliebrownau (charliebrownau@poa.st)'s status on Thursday, 30-Nov-2023 19:45:54 JST charliebrownau

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     • Codeki :njp:
     @ned @Codeki I disagree
     
     National Federal Statism is RECENT
     and part of the NEW WORLD (after 1750)
     
     Before that it was
     de centralised
     District/Local based
     Self Goverenced
     
     We didnt need TAX, GST/VAT , Income Tax
     or to steal Money from working class
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     Sir Nedwood - Sydney 🇦🇺 (ned@noagendasocial.com)'s status on Thursday, 30-Nov-2023 19:50:56 JST Sir Nedwood - Sydney 🇦🇺

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     • charliebrownau

     @charliebrownau @Codeki Through most of history it's been the Warrior class backed by the Priest class. Or visa versa. Then at some point the Warrior class ditched the priests and got their backing from the merchants instead. Sometime around the East India Company. That eventually flipped to the merchants in charge. Who then ditched the warriors for the plebeians. Which is what we see today.

     Side note, I see the military industry complex as merchants, not warriors.

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     Sir Nedwood - Sydney 🇦🇺 (ned@noagendasocial.com)'s status on Thursday, 30-Nov-2023 19:52:10 JST Sir Nedwood - Sydney 🇦🇺

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     • charliebrownau

     @charliebrownau @Codeki It's the governing style of merchants specifically that exhibit all the traits that you so despise.

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     PonyPanda (ponypanda@freespeechextremist.com)'s status on Thursday, 30-Nov-2023 22:31:47 JST PonyPanda

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     @ned no no. I was wondering if people actually use "Victorian" to describe a state with a female sovereign in common parlance.
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     Sir Nedwood - Sydney 🇦🇺 (ned@noagendasocial.com)'s status on Thursday, 30-Nov-2023 22:31:47 JST Sir Nedwood - Sydney 🇦🇺

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     • PonyPanda

     @PonyPanda no that was just mean leaving out detail, resulting in a sentence that made no sense.