I brought this up at the time, when the violence broke out he was asking for it to stop after a few hours.
The main counter argument I have heard is that he waited hours until after it already started to die down so it was an insincere gesture.
I brought this up at the time, when the violence broke out he was asking for it to stop after a few hours.
The main counter argument I have heard is that he waited hours until after it already started to die down so it was an insincere gesture.
Well thats another matter... but its hard to deny they were violent, at the very least towards property, and of course quite a few videos of clear aggression towards police... but the damage was mostly property damage... still its impossible to condone the actions of the crowd that day, even if we do agree it was exagerated.
Is that a surprising thing to do to a group of civilians breaking down the doors of the capital building? Sounds like a pretty attenuated response and fairly typical response to a riot.
Could be, not how I remember it...
I remember the first incident being a cop ripping someone out of the crowd and beating them and then the crowd responded by rioting and breaking throught he barriers. Tear gas was used after that.
Taht said there might be a tear gas video i missed, feel free to share.
YEa I remember the barriers being moved. That is off and worth investigation... but the public, every members, knows well enough even without barriers they cant break down a door (or even if its open) and just rush into a building, let alone the capital.
There is no way to excuse their behavior, at best you can find some fault in the other side (plenty in fact) but none of it would tell any reasonable person they could behave that way.
@freemo @jeff the barriers were just moved by a cop lol, that's how they got in and took a shit on pelosi's desk or whatever
That much is wrong, i have seen videos of it.
Sure, here is a still of them breaking through one of the windows and trying to push through officers blocking them...
https://static01.nyt.com/newsgraphics/2021/01/06/capitol-protests/assets/images/door-break-2000.jpg
You realize I can post links to images if I want instead right?
@freemo @not_br549 @jeff you realize you can attach images to your post right
A still image of a person literally breaking down the door mid swing... and image of a video no less.
Ahh you are brilliant, your right, cant break into doors if they open outward. But shhh if people find out they will build all the doors to open outward and we wont need police anymore since no one will be able to break into any homes!
If you want footage of them breaking in through a door for some inane reason here ya go. The capital building door is clearly locked and off limits at this point as we see the vvrowd repeatindly bashing it in until the break through.
We literally have photos I already shared of the police clearly blocking entry.
Is that suppose to make a point. I have no doubt there are some exceptions fromt he day of people who were int he capitol building but otherwise did no harm.
Thats like arguing a murderer is innocent because some guy standing next to him got off as innocent in the same murder case... sure... thats a shitty defense though.
Sure, and? I also remember the little old lady who was walking around confused and was probably another innocent. I expect there were quite a few caught up in the very clear rioting and violence who were themselves swept up in it and not guilty of much as an individual. Not sure what the point is in pointing them out, but yea, im sure there are plenty of people like that.
Hahaha "break down door" apparently to you only counts if the door is shreded to dust ont he floor... literally breaking through teh glass on doors to gain accent and then later cops shoing up and literally baracading them out is in your head not breaking down a door...
Yea dumbest shit I heard all day
Not them breaking down a door but here is a video of them breaking down a window and using it to gain entry. Which is effectively just as bad.
The idea that these people were peaceful is laughable.
not saying it didn’t happen, but considering it’s on CNN and they’ve legitimately been caught faking stuff for news stories, not to mention sued for defamation, i just can’t believe whatever comes out of them.
CNN has little credibility, but I’m not going to get a video of the same nonsense over and over again… it happened, they were violent, full stop.
i have seen footage of an officer literally opening up the barricade to let people get to the capitol so they aren’t entirely guiltless either. if the capitol police were allowing them to get closer that’s on them.
Even the left has admitted from very early on that the barricade was moved. But while thats fine to raise that question it doesnt change the fact that most people there knew the situation, knew they werent allowed there, and were being actively destructive and violent. Saying “they moved a barricade somewhere” when there are clear videos of police creating lines to keep people out while they are being attacked and rushed, and people destroying doors and windows to get in, you really cant sell the narrative of it being sme peaceful gathering.
I mean hell even the wide shots fromt he day show clearly illegal and destructive riots en mass.
there were probably and most definitely some violent people there. it’s already been proven that one of the dudes had shown up at BLM/Antifa riots before (the crazy guy with the face paint). there was some antifa guy from utah, forgot his name but he was stirring up shit there and from the people i’ve heard who were also there they didn’t buy it because they knew who he was.
Antifa certainly have plenty fo violence to their name. And I wouldnt even be surprised if there were a very small number there for whatever reason. But playing this off as a BLM antifa thingis really bonkers. We all know the overwhelming majority were there to support Trump, that much is very obvious and trying to create a conspiracy around it to negate that fact doesnt help anyone.
even in those BLM riots i wouldn’t doubt if there were instigators that didn’t believe in the cause, just to stir up chaos. paid or otherwise. we already know about the random piles of bricks. the suits have a vested interest in keeping people divided as much as possible. divide and conquer.
I dont doubt that is true too, but regardless of any instigators trying to rally the crowd, in the end the crowd is responsible for their own violence. I likewise dont evben blame Trump for it, I blame the people.
@freemo @not_br549 @jeff @BlinkRape not saying it didn't happen, but considering it's on CNN and they've legitimately been caught faking stuff for news stories, not to mention sued for defamation, i just can't believe whatever comes out of them.
i have seen footage of an officer literally opening up the barricade to let people get to the capitol so they aren't entirely guiltless either. if the capitol police were allowing them to get closer that's on them.
there were probably and most definitely some violent people there. it's already been proven that one of the dudes had shown up at BLM/Antifa riots before (the crazy guy with the face paint). there was some antifa guy from utah, forgot his name but he was stirring up shit there and from the people i've heard who were also there they didn't buy it because they knew who he was.
even in those BLM riots i wouldn't doubt if there were instigators that didn't believe in the cause, just to stir up chaos. paid or otherwise. we already know about the random piles of bricks. the suits have a vested interest in keeping people divided as much as possible. divide and conquer.
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