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   Sexy Moon (moon@shitposter.club)'s status on Sunday, 26-Nov-2023 05:31:12 JST Sexy Moon
   imagine the damage to leftist causes if you were freely able to engage in "meta" questioning like "what if that guy is lying about people being racist to him" shut it down
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     Sexy Moon (moon@shitposter.club)'s status on Sunday, 26-Nov-2023 05:58:53 JST Sexy Moon

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     @itzpaquet only if you assume abuse isn't common and people actually do examine things
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     ᒪᐸᒋᓐ(:raccoon_x3:)PUNK (itzpaquet@novo-atlantis.null.media)'s status on Sunday, 26-Nov-2023 05:58:54 JST ᒪᐸᒋᓐ(:raccoon_x3:)PUNK

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     @Moon this wouldn't hurt much of anything. you're supposed to critically examine things, that's kind of the whole point.
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     Sexy Moon (moon@shitposter.club)'s status on Sunday, 26-Nov-2023 06:00:41 JST Sexy Moon

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     @itzpaquet I don't disagree with you, my point is actually just that you don't get to "opt out" of meta conversation "is this person even telling the truth" it is incredibly inconvenient and uncomfortable to interrogate people saying they are victims but that's life.
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     ᒪᐸᒋᓐ(:raccoon_x3:)PUNK (itzpaquet@novo-atlantis.null.media)'s status on Sunday, 26-Nov-2023 06:00:43 JST ᒪᐸᒋᓐ(:raccoon_x3:)PUNK

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     @Moon whether people actually do critically examine things in a particular circumstance is a different question.
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     Sexy Moon (moon@shitposter.club)'s status on Sunday, 26-Nov-2023 06:27:52 JST Sexy Moon

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     @itzpaquet the origin of my subtoot is a guy that is obviously tactically accusing critics of his product of anti-blackness and the community response is fear of simply saying "this guy is operating in bad faith" because it opens a can of worms so instead they all have to pretend they are the victim of a terrible mistake. so it is not an argument from first principles it is about a specific on-the-ground event that someone might disagree with my interpretation.
     
     In practice, if someone is nominally "on my side" then meta argumentation is forbidden ex. "believe women" but of course if an enemy is acting in bad faith, "never/always" suddenly becomes squishy. As someone on the outside, the backtracking every time this happens is humorous. My life is relatively simple, I accept that questioning motives is always allowed, but you still have to convince people of that.
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     ᒪᐸᒋᓐ(:raccoon_x3:)PUNK (itzpaquet@novo-atlantis.null.media)'s status on Sunday, 26-Nov-2023 06:27:54 JST ᒪᐸᒋᓐ(:raccoon_x3:)PUNK

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     @Moon in the sense that you can’t stop people talking about you, yes. you don’t really have to engage with critics that you see to be acting in bad faith, right? like “you” might think you’re making valid points, but that doesn’t mean the other party can hear what you’re saying. if that makes sense.

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     ᒪᐸᒋᓐ(:raccoon_x3:)PUNK (itzpaquet@novo-atlantis.null.media)'s status on Sunday, 26-Nov-2023 06:32:10 JST ᒪᐸᒋᓐ(:raccoon_x3:)PUNK

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     @Moon you can see that there's a problem and also not be the right person to carry the message. it happens sometimes.
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     Sexy Moon (moon@shitposter.club)'s status on Sunday, 26-Nov-2023 06:35:20 JST Sexy Moon

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     @itzpaquet nobody on the progressive side should listen to me about that guy. it's just frustrating to watch it from the outside because it sometimes affects my friends of the progressive bent who don't deserve to be mistreated. so I kind of just muse to myself about little problems that make it hard for them to solve the slightly bigger problem of sociopaths and grifters.
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     ᒪᐸᒋᓐ(:raccoon_x3:)PUNK (itzpaquet@novo-atlantis.null.media)'s status on Sunday, 26-Nov-2023 06:35:53 JST ᒪᐸᒋᓐ(:raccoon_x3:)PUNK

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     @Moon the Asshole Problem is a doozy for sure
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     Sexy Moon (moon@shitposter.club)'s status on Sunday, 26-Nov-2023 06:37:26 JST Sexy Moon

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     @itzpaquet have I mentioned lately I'm glad we're friends? I value that. Just so you know.