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   George Budd (gbudd@qoto.org)'s status on Saturday, 18-Nov-2023 12:17:40 JST George Budd

   • 🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱

   @freemo That’s a really interesting question! Putting my EMT hat on, if they’re competent they get to refuse an intervention but in practice those are hard calls.

   More generally it kind of depends on other factors. For example, do you let someone ignore a mandatory evacuation knowing they may want to be rescued later at greater risk to all concerned?

   It’s a thought provoking question. I’d lean towards answering “Yes” in the abstract and mostly in practice but I’m willing to believe there are circumstances where I’d be open to “No” and I can’t come up with a consistent limiting principle.

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     🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱 (freemo@qoto.org)'s status on Saturday, 18-Nov-2023 12:22:08 JST 🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱

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     @Gbudd It certainly isnt an easy question… I will have to give my response to you some thought.

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     George Budd (gbudd@qoto.org)'s status on Saturday, 18-Nov-2023 12:42:41 JST George Budd

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     • 🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱

     @freemo I should clarify a bit too.

     When I’m out as an EMT it’s a relatively bright line. If they’re competent (alert and oriented, not a threat to themselves or others, over 18) they get to refuse medical attention. We might try to convince them but at the end of the day they get to choose.

     There are calls where that feels crappy but at least we have a decision making framework to fall back on.