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   autism :verified: (jeff@misinformation.wikileaks2.org)'s status on Friday, 17-Nov-2023 11:11:50 JST autism :verified:
   the usa lacks a ruling class who have a reason to care about the future after they're gone.
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     🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱 (freemo@qoto.org)'s status on Friday, 17-Nov-2023 11:14:20 JST 🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱

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     @jeff Oh, why would they care any less than anyone else? Seems they would have the same concern for their family and friends after they are gone that anyone else would

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     @jeff So your asserting the ruling class is exclusively christian? And Christians are evil?

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     @freemo why? christian moral values of course. the problem is it's an anti hunan death cult run by project paper clip nazbol eugenics goons.
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     So non christians dont care about the future, only themselves?

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     Whole Milk 🥛 🐮 (wholemilk@social.linux.pizza)'s status on Friday, 17-Nov-2023 11:20:10 JST Whole Milk 🥛 🐮

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     @freemo @jeff He is probably implying the opposite. The problems we are having are the LACK of Christian moral values.

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     @jeff

     I mean, nonchristians have values beyond themselves... christians by definition act out of a desire for personal reward in the afterlife... So technically of thet wo groups it would seemt he chritians are the self-serving ones.

     But that is hardly a debate of value for me to dive into.

     @wholemilk

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     • Whole Milk 🥛 🐮
     @freemo @wholemilk by definition, yes.
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     🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱 (freemo@qoto.org)'s status on Friday, 17-Nov-2023 11:26:35 JST 🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱

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     @jeff

     As someone who studies the Gnostic traditions heavily I cant say I agree with this view. While its a fine interpritation and im glad you have one that is more forward looking, I would not say this is centrally defined in christian gnosticism.

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     • Whole Milk 🥛 🐮
     @freemo @wholemilk Christian gnosticism is the ideology of multi generational delayed gratification. by definition those who value such are holding a Christian moral compus.