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   Martin Jambon 🌍🌎🌏 (mjambon@qoto.org)'s status on Friday, 17-Nov-2023 10:42:57 JST Martin Jambon 🌍🌎🌏

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   @freemo it depends

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     🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱 (freemo@qoto.org)'s status on Friday, 17-Nov-2023 10:58:52 JST 🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱

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     @mjambon on?

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     Martin Jambon 🌍🌎🌏 (mjambon@qoto.org)'s status on Friday, 17-Nov-2023 11:00:35 JST Martin Jambon 🌍🌎🌏

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     @freemo on whether they can be helped, change their mind about it, and get better.

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     🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱 (freemo@qoto.org)'s status on Friday, 17-Nov-2023 11:06:16 JST 🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱

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     @mjambon and if they seem unwilling to hav etheir mind changed or make the effort to get better?

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     🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱 (freemo@qoto.org)'s status on Friday, 17-Nov-2023 11:07:24 JST 🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱

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     @mjambon This seems like a very different answer than your earlier one... So if someone "doesnt know what is best for them" shall we force them?

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     Martin Jambon 🌍🌎🌏 (mjambon@qoto.org)'s status on Friday, 17-Nov-2023 11:07:26 JST Martin Jambon 🌍🌎🌏

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     @freemo it's the idea that people don't always know what's best for them as in "I don't need no education". This has been massively abused by various autocratic regimes and nanny states but it's not a reason to let people kill themselves just because they're going through a phase.

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     Martin Jambon 🌍🌎🌏 (mjambon@qoto.org)'s status on Friday, 17-Nov-2023 11:14:52 JST Martin Jambon 🌍🌎🌏

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     @freemo I think it should be up to you to decide when faced with such a situation, not the law. Personally, I don't have firm rules for deciding this, possibly because I was never faced with such a situation.

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     🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱 (freemo@qoto.org)'s status on Friday, 17-Nov-2023 11:16:25 JST 🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱

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     @mjambon Well I never mentioned the law. But the idea here is to get a sense of what people think the guidline is, that way as a society we can decide on how it would be appropriate to handle various situations. That may or may not influence law.

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     Martin Jambon 🌍🌎🌏 (mjambon@qoto.org)'s status on Friday, 17-Nov-2023 11:17:56 JST Martin Jambon 🌍🌎🌏

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     @freemo like most people, I'd probably spend more effort to rescue the people I know and love than strangers. It's unfortunate for those who are the most isolated.

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     🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱 (freemo@qoto.org)'s status on Friday, 17-Nov-2023 11:18:40 JST 🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱

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     @mjambon Would that even be rescue, to force someone to do what you think is best for them when they explicitly dont want it?

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     Martin Jambon 🌍🌎🌏 (mjambon@qoto.org)'s status on Friday, 17-Nov-2023 11:21:53 JST Martin Jambon 🌍🌎🌏

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     @freemo it depends. Ask them later what they think.

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     🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱 (freemo@qoto.org)'s status on Friday, 17-Nov-2023 11:22:46 JST 🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱

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     @mjambon Good idea, before we do anything we should always check with the future first :)

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     Martin Jambon 🌍🌎🌏 (mjambon@qoto.org)'s status on Friday, 17-Nov-2023 11:32:02 JST Martin Jambon 🌍🌎🌏

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     @freemo all decisions are based on how we imagine the future. My previous message was about confronting a past prediction with an actual outcome: "I made you live even though you didn't want it because I thought you'd feel better later. How are you now?"

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     🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱 (freemo@qoto.org)'s status on Friday, 17-Nov-2023 11:43:10 JST 🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱

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     @mjambon Sounds like a bit of a cop out to be honest.

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     Martin Jambon 🌍🌎🌏 (mjambon@qoto.org)'s status on Friday, 17-Nov-2023 11:53:38 JST Martin Jambon 🌍🌎🌏

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     @freemo I'm not sure what you mean exactly by "cop out". Clearly, I don't want a hard rule to decide whether someone lives or die. Such a situation seems important and rare enough that it deserves serious pondering when it happens.