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   Ulrich_the_Elder (ulrich_the_elder@mastodon.social)'s status on Wednesday, 15-Nov-2023 12:10:59 JST Ulrich_the_Elder

   Back in the 60s I asked my mother why Israel was treating the Palestinians the same way that Nazis treated them. I have to date never received a reasonable answer.

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     Elon Muksis (bhasic@mastodon.social)'s status on Wednesday, 15-Nov-2023 12:10:54 JST Elon Muksis

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     @CivilityFan @gcblasing @Ulrich_the_Elder Also Palestine was there long before jews even existed. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestine_(region)

     Robbie Norlyn, Author 👾 repeated this.
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     Rabbi Nathan Farb (rabbinathan@babka.social)'s status on Wednesday, 15-Nov-2023 12:10:54 JST Rabbi Nathan Farb

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     • Elon Muksis

     @bhasic @CivilityFan @gcblasing @Ulrich_the_Elder

     This is shockingly wrong.

     "Peleshet" refers to a Grecian sea people that may have conquered and settled five cities of the Southern Mediterranean coast (in and around modern day Gaza) in the 12th century. It was not a term for the entire region until it was adopted by the Romans in the post-Second Temple period.

     The Israelites were a group of Canaanite shepherds that emerged as a distinct group by at least the 14th-13th century, 200 years before the Pelishti arrived (possibly much earlier)

     Modern day Palestinians are not related to the Pelishti, who vanished in the 6th-5th century after the Babylonian conquest. They are likely descended from Canaanites and the Arabs, who conquered and settled Roman Palestine in the 7th century CE.

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     Jeff Shaffer CBET, ret (civilityfan@sfba.social)'s status on Wednesday, 15-Nov-2023 12:10:56 JST Jeff Shaffer CBET, ret

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     • Elon Muksis

     @gcblasing @bhasic @Ulrich_the_Elder Because it is not the same.
     1/2The Nazis took the Jews to concentration camps and gassed them unless they could work them to death in aid of their war effort. If you cannot see a difference there, it’s because you are being intentionally obtuse. Comparing Gaza to a concentration camp has some validity, treating a population as separate and unequal is also a commonality. But Jews as a group never tried to fight a war to destroy Germany despite Hitler’s rhetoric.

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     Jeff Shaffer CBET, ret (civilityfan@sfba.social)'s status on Wednesday, 15-Nov-2023 12:10:56 JST Jeff Shaffer CBET, ret

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     • Elon Muksis

     @gcblasing @bhasic @Ulrich_the_Elder 2/2
     Say you were an indigenous people reclaiming your homeland, and the people dislodged wouldn’t accept it, vowed to return and destroy you?
     Put millions in your backyard, where their neighbors offer to help them overrun you. You fight back and hold your ground. Then those neighbors won’t allow them a place in their home either, so they remain fenced in, sending missiles at you frequently, occasionally launching a strike at your family and beheading your babies. What would you do?

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     Elon Muksis (bhasic@mastodon.social)'s status on Wednesday, 15-Nov-2023 12:10:58 JST Elon Muksis

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     gcblasing (gcblasing@mstdn.social)'s status on Wednesday, 15-Nov-2023 12:10:58 JST gcblasing

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     @bhasic @Ulrich_the_Elder

     LIKE THE GOP! "IT'S NOT FASCISM AND TERRORISM WHEN WE DO IT!"