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   bwaz (bwaz@mastodon.social)'s status on Wednesday, 15-Nov-2023 01:37:40 JST bwaz

   • Sabrina✨

   @ryanhoulihan
   Yeah, but maybe the thing to vote for is to not get the very worst of two evils. If you refuse to play unless you get everything just what you want you are guaranteed to lose.

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     kevin3kon (kevin3kon@mastodon.social)'s status on Wednesday, 15-Nov-2023 01:43:11 JST kevin3kon

     • Sabrina✨

     @ryanhoulihan Can you vote for my friend's trans child's ability to get healthcare? 😰

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     T'van 🏳️‍🌈 (t_van@mastodon.social)'s status on Wednesday, 15-Nov-2023 02:04:38 JST T'van 🏳️‍🌈

     • Sabrina✨

     @ryanhoulihan bless your heart! I feel like such a heel out here protesting for the rights of trans people to just exist.

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     Mac Knowles (macknowles@mastodon.world)'s status on Wednesday, 15-Nov-2023 02:31:10 JST Mac Knowles

     • Sabrina✨

     @ryanhoulihan
     There is not going to be a unicorn.
     Vote for democracy.

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     MayhamMonday (mayhammonday@mstdn.ca)'s status on Wednesday, 15-Nov-2023 02:31:33 JST MayhamMonday

     • Sabrina✨

     @ryanhoulihan I don't know I think you're right to exist might be one cuz it sounds like certain parties want to limit that right!

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     Kat (kats@chaosfem.tw)'s status on Wednesday, 15-Nov-2023 02:32:44 JST Kat

     • Sabrina✨

     @ryanhoulihan Not-fascism?
     The absence of concentration camps for trans folk?
     Buying time to build up a good option?

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     kevin3kon (kevin3kon@mastodon.social)'s status on Wednesday, 15-Nov-2023 02:47:43 JST kevin3kon

     • Sabrina✨

     @ryanhoulihan That isn't how I meant it. The reason I referenced them is because they've only just started their lives, and for that reason alone they have more at stake. People our age have lived a chunk of adulthood already. Trans kids' entire adulthood is at risk.

     I did not mean to offend or condescend. I'm sorry that I did.

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     Kat (kats@chaosfem.tw)'s status on Wednesday, 15-Nov-2023 03:09:00 JST Kat

     • Sabrina✨

     @ryanhoulihan WE KNOW!!!
     I'm talking about your country. The USA. Where TFG's team is all set to put you in a concentration camp.

     This is no time for self-righteousness. You can hold your nose and vote for the less-despicable, or you can try to hold your nose in the gas chamber.

     There isn't a good choice here, just a less-catastrophic one.

     Also, I'm being entirely selfish here, because if the fascists take over the USA, they'll divert even more resources to manifesting it in the rest of the world, including here in Spain. There are plenty of people here trying to revive Franco's reign, so it won't take that much.

     So fine. "Not going full-throttle with fascism." Is that nuanced enough for you?

     You want to fight for other people's survival as well? Excellent. But it's hard to do that from an unmarked grave, and that's what you're facing if the GOP get in.

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     MayhamMonday (mayhammonday@mstdn.ca)'s status on Wednesday, 15-Nov-2023 03:12:28 JST MayhamMonday

     • Sabrina✨

     @ryanhoulihan really, you can't be that naive! Pay attention to the bigger picture not the little battles but honestly I don't want to argue about it because I know it's going to get a whole lot worse because of naive thinking. Like I'm not happy with all that our leader Justin Trudeau does but I still rather him in charge of this country than P.P. le Pew! Vote don't vote I don't care I'm not the one inheriting this world now.

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     Mac Knowles (macknowles@mastodon.world)'s status on Wednesday, 15-Nov-2023 03:41:55 JST Mac Knowles

     • Sabrina✨

     @ryanhoulihan
     Well, let's see. Checking my notes.
     That's your job.

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     MayhamMonday (mayhammonday@mstdn.ca)'s status on Wednesday, 15-Nov-2023 03:42:41 JST MayhamMonday

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     • Sabrina✨

     @ryanhoulihan ah never mind I see you have yourself listed as the All-American bitch. 😆 So this is me patting you on the head saying ok you want to get all bent out of shape about what Biden's doing or not doing fine then when Trump gets elected next election & you find yourself in a concentration camp or asylum or whatever he's going to build to house all those who he considers vermin that will be all on you.

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     MayhamMonday (mayhammonday@mstdn.ca)'s status on Wednesday, 15-Nov-2023 03:42:43 JST MayhamMonday

     • Sabrina✨

     @ryanhoulihan are you American or Canadian? I can't remember.

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     kevin3kon (kevin3kon@mastodon.social)'s status on Wednesday, 15-Nov-2023 04:15:26 JST kevin3kon

     • Sabrina✨

     @ryanhoulihan Okay, that's valid. My question is what do you want the effect of your message to be?

     Is it that you want people to stop telling you who to vote for?

     Is it that you want people to stop telling you who to vote against?

     Is it that you want everyone to change their metric of who they vote for to "who deserves my vote" rather than "who do I vote for?"

     Because regardless of the intent of your message, I worry that the effect will be the third. I feel that is dangerous. My opinion.

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     Pro Cimex (colatkinson@mastodon.social)'s status on Wednesday, 15-Nov-2023 04:55:10 JST Pro Cimex

     • Sabrina✨

     @ryanhoulihan honestly funniest part of the "vote blue no matter who" weirdos is they don't understand the electoral college. like i live in ny, my vote literally does not matter at all bc the state has gone democrat for the past 40 years. so like if i'm irrelevant might as well have fun with it

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     heathen (heathen@sunny.garden)'s status on Wednesday, 15-Nov-2023 06:10:20 JST heathen

     • Sabrina✨

     @ryanhoulihan I'm know a reply isn't necessarily going to sway you. You seem reasonably bright and you make valid points.

     I vote as harm reduction, with full knowledge that harm will be caused regardless of who wins an election. I like the notion of voting for someone who may not check 100% of our ideological boxes, but instead is someone who could be bullied/persuaded/otherwise convinced to take actions I agree with.

     I don't believe politicians will "save" us from the worst among us. But I do worry about the impact and reach of that harm if certain folks win elections.

     I do hope you choose to vote, but that's your choice and you have to right to refrain from it.

     Also to others, if you're trying to trot out trans folks as a prop to convince a trans person to vote...idk what to say to you but that behavior is pretty gross.

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     Steris (steris@ghostbloods.org)'s status on Wednesday, 15-Nov-2023 06:11:38 JST Steris

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     • Sabrina✨
     • MayhamMonday

     @MayhamMonday@mstdn.ca @ryanhoulihan@mastodon.social Nobody was uncivil before you started calling people "naive." You're the one who started with name-calling, and you accompanied it with spelling errors and a generally dismissive attitude. You seem to be unintelligent... and if that is name-calling, then take it up with Webster because I ain't wrote the dictionary.
     
     Go ahead and block me too! I'm a rando! I do not care :3

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     MayhamMonday (mayhammonday@mstdn.ca)'s status on Wednesday, 15-Nov-2023 06:11:39 JST MayhamMonday

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     @ryanhoulihan@mastodon.social My god this is why I don't like to criticize or comment on other people's posts because people get offended by a disagreement of opinion and start with the name calling and then others jump in! This is not how I want to social media!

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     Legit_Spaghetti (legit_spaghetti@mastodo.neoliber.al)'s status on Wednesday, 15-Nov-2023 06:12:16 JST Legit_Spaghetti

     • Sabrina✨

     @ryanhoulihan

     looks at everything the parties are doing

     I mean, if one of these is not an obviously better choice in terms of civil liberties, climate policy, public health, social safety nets, international policy, the furtherance of global peace, uplift for marginalized people, and overall sanity...

     We have one party that uses literal nazi language, and another party that says "Hey, we should work towards steady, gradual improvement." Maybe I'm weird, but that seems like an easy choice.

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     kevin3kon (kevin3kon@mastodon.social)'s status on Wednesday, 15-Nov-2023 06:34:23 JST kevin3kon

     • Sabrina✨

     @ryanhoulihan But nobody in current national government positions is reading our messages here, so it doesn't matter what we're trying to say to them.

     Who is reading our messages here is potential voters, so what we're saying here has an effect on them if it has an effect on anybody.

     What effect do you want your original message ("if you want me to vote, give me something to vote for") to have on potential voters?

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     Stainless Steel Raziel (raz@mastodon.social)'s status on Wednesday, 15-Nov-2023 06:38:07 JST Stainless Steel Raziel

     • Sabrina✨

     @ryanhoulihan Democracy thrives with an informed electorate. What information do you feel you lack?

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     Stainless Steel Raziel (raz@mastodon.social)'s status on Wednesday, 15-Nov-2023 06:46:01 JST Stainless Steel Raziel

     • Sabrina✨

     @ryanhoulihan Choice is required for democracy to *exist*. Being informed is needed to make it thrive. Not being informed makes choice meaningless.

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     Stainless Steel Raziel (raz@mastodon.social)'s status on Wednesday, 15-Nov-2023 06:51:20 JST Stainless Steel Raziel

     • Sabrina✨

     @ryanhoulihan And yet you don’t know if or how you will vote. What information are you missing?

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     Stainless Steel Raziel (raz@mastodon.social)'s status on Wednesday, 15-Nov-2023 06:58:41 JST Stainless Steel Raziel

     • Sabrina✨

     @ryanhoulihan I don’t think that’s the choice you’re faced with, but given your apparent certainty, I won’t be able to convince you.

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     kevin3kon (kevin3kon@mastodon.social)'s status on Wednesday, 15-Nov-2023 07:01:25 JST kevin3kon

     • Sabrina✨

     @ryanhoulihan Okay, maybe in some roundabout way your message to politicians will be ingested into a poll or voter data somehow, but that's not your primary influence. You said it yourself, your voice matters primarily to consumers, meaning people, voters. What effect do you want to have on them?

     I have not been hostile to you. I don't know why you called me a capitalist, which is an insult IMO. I am trying to discuss how/if we disagree. And I don't get paid. Who's the capitalist again?

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     Stainless Steel Raziel (raz@mastodon.social)'s status on Wednesday, 15-Nov-2023 07:07:36 JST Stainless Steel Raziel

     • Sabrina✨

     @ryanhoulihan Nor is it to me.

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     Stainless Steel Raziel (raz@mastodon.social)'s status on Wednesday, 15-Nov-2023 07:19:27 JST Stainless Steel Raziel

     • Sabrina✨

     @ryanhoulihan I’m doing nothing of the sort. I see you claim you’re super informed yet demand to be convinced.

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     Stainless Steel Raziel (raz@mastodon.social)'s status on Wednesday, 15-Nov-2023 07:38:28 JST Stainless Steel Raziel

     • Sabrina✨

     @ryanhoulihan ‘lol’ no. What actions do you want to see?

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     kevin3kon (kevin3kon@mastodon.social)'s status on Wednesday, 15-Nov-2023 07:54:00 JST kevin3kon

     • Sabrina✨

     @ryanhoulihan Very okay! Fighting genocide is great! That means:

     A. Getting supporters of 1, in-office, to stop.

     B. Keeping those who support that 1 genocide, plus 3 more, out of office.

     C. Organize anti-genocide movements.

     I worry your message was doing A at the expense of B. We can multitask; all three are possible. That includes advocating for voting against 4 genocides, even if it feels like it's voting for 1; it's not. It's voting against 4.

     We disagree, but not about genocide.

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     Legit_Spaghetti (legit_spaghetti@mastodo.neoliber.al)'s status on Wednesday, 15-Nov-2023 07:58:30 JST Legit_Spaghetti

     • Sabrina✨

     @ryanhoulihan I don't know; if I compare where we were 30 years ago to today, then yeah, things actually HAVE gotten better. Sure, republicans are doing their level best to roll back everything we've accomplished, and in some places they've succeeded. But overall? We're on a much better trajectory than we were back then.

     Now, conservatives want us to THINK there's no difference between parties (and by "us" I mean "us on the left" specifically) because that's how they win elections.

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     Legit_Spaghetti (legit_spaghetti@mastodo.neoliber.al)'s status on Wednesday, 15-Nov-2023 07:58:48 JST Legit_Spaghetti

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     • Sabrina✨

     @ryanhoulihan But there is a difference, and it is meaningful. It's not the choice republicans want us to imagine, one between two different flavors of corruption. That's their only path to victory, and unfortunately people are buying it.

     But there is measurable good being done by Democrats. These changes are slow, agonizingly so, but they add up over time.

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     Stainless Steel Raziel (raz@mastodon.social)'s status on Wednesday, 15-Nov-2023 08:12:36 JST Stainless Steel Raziel

     • Sabrina✨

     @ryanhoulihan ‘lol’ trades sarcasm for sarcasm. Getting a ceasefire would be a good start.

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     Stainless Steel Raziel (raz@mastodon.social)'s status on Wednesday, 15-Nov-2023 08:22:44 JST Stainless Steel Raziel

     • Sabrina✨

     @ryanhoulihan ok