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Aral Balkan (aral@mastodon.ar.al)'s status on Tuesday, 14-Nov-2023 19:21:37 JST Aral Balkan
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Dear @EU_Commission,
If your best effort at regulating surveillance capitalists results in “give us €9.99/month not to see ads or use for ‘free’ with ads¹”, you should all probably resign and go hide your heads in shame.
And maybe watch my EU Parliament before you do:
https://ar.al/2019/11/29/the-future-of-internet-regulation-at-the-european-parliament/
¹ Not even turn off tracking, mind you, just turn off personalised ads. Not that “your money or your privacy” is better.
#eu #euCommission #surveillanceCapitalism #facebook #SiliconValley #regulation
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  Aral Balkan (aral@mastodon.ar.al)'s status on Tuesday, 14-Nov-2023 20:20:52 JST Aral Balkan
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  @jmaris Does EDPS legislate? No. The EU/EU Council do, with varying levels of input by the EU Parliament (a parliament without legislative initiative; kind of like the kid’s table of parliaments).
  Who nominates the European Data Protection Supervisor? The European Commission. Who appoints them? The council/parliament.
  So, no, I don’t expect much from EDPS given its limited remit and I’ll continue to hold those with the actual power responsible if you don’t mind.
  @EU_Commission @EDPS
  
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  Jordan Maris 🇪🇺 🇺🇦 #NAFO (jmaris@eupolicy.social)'s status on Tuesday, 14-Nov-2023 20:20:53 JST Jordan Maris 🇪🇺 🇺🇦 #NAFO
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  @aral @EU_Commission it has nothing to do with the commission. You're looking for the @EDPS
  
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  Aral Balkan (aral@mastodon.ar.al)'s status on Tuesday, 14-Nov-2023 20:48:32 JST Aral Balkan
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  @jmaris @EU_Commission @EDPS Cool, cool – so you going for the €9.99 or the free option?
  (I’ve given up trying to change anything via political means while the politics are so institutionally corrupt as to be meaningless; while lobbying and revolving doors are rife; while Google and other surveillance capitalists set up shop around the corner from the parliament and enjoy unfettered access, while privacy legislation seemed only to be enforced when @noybeu get involved… nope, no thanks.)
  
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  Jordan Maris 🇪🇺 🇺🇦 #NAFO (jmaris@eupolicy.social)'s status on Tuesday, 14-Nov-2023 20:48:34 JST Jordan Maris 🇪🇺 🇺🇦 #NAFO
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  @aral @EU_Commission @EDPS so what is it you want to change about the underlying legislation (the GDPR)? Because either you are changing the law, in which case it is Commission, Council, and Parliament, Or you are applying the law, in which case it's DPO's, the EDPB and the EDPS.
  As for your opinions on Parliament, they are completely flawed. Parliament should have initiative, but it not having that doesn't make it the "kids table of parliaments". Parliament's successes speak for themselves.
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  Aral Balkan (aral@mastodon.ar.al)'s status on Tuesday, 14-Nov-2023 20:50:02 JST Aral Balkan
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  @jmaris @EU_Commission @EDPS @noybeu (I’m concentrating my limited efforts to creating technology that will hopefully mean that we have alternatives to surveillance capitalism, not meekly ask Silicon Valley billionaires “please sir, be kind…” “Oh, and, by the way, do you have any job opportunities, by the way…?”)
  
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  Aral Balkan (aral@mastodon.ar.al)'s status on Tuesday, 14-Nov-2023 20:53:18 JST Aral Balkan
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  @jmaris @EU_Commission @EDPS @noybeu And in response to your question about GDPR, what I’d suggest is that we move beyond data protection, and even beyond algorithmic transparency – which we don’t have today – to data minimisation. You want to kill surveillance capitalism, here’s your very simple blueprint:
  https://ar.al/2018/11/29/gdmr-this-one-simple-regulation-could-end-surveillance-capitalism-in-the-eu/
  
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  Aral Balkan (aral@mastodon.ar.al)'s status on Tuesday, 14-Nov-2023 21:08:20 JST Aral Balkan
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  @jmaris @EU_Commission @EDPS @noybeu Yes, aware of the former (EDRi) and I’ve seen them do good things. Also very aware of AccessNow and their close relationship with Silicon Valley – so I can’t say the same about them.
  https://ar.al/notes/rightscon-or-a-right-con/
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  Jordan Maris 🇪🇺 🇺🇦 #NAFO (jmaris@eupolicy.social)'s status on Tuesday, 14-Nov-2023 21:08:21 JST Jordan Maris 🇪🇺 🇺🇦 #NAFO
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  @aral @EU_Commission @EDPS @noybeu I don't use facebook, and very rarely log into instagram. I'm also unsure it is possible to freely consent if the alternative is paying, in particular in light of case law on this issue.
  As for your views on our ability to exact change through politics, they are dangerously cynical, and incorrext.. I'd invite you to look into the excellent work EDRi and AccessNow are doing in Brussels, and the positive changes they have made to laws.
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  Aral Balkan (aral@mastodon.ar.al)'s status on Tuesday, 14-Nov-2023 21:11:10 JST Aral Balkan
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  @jmaris Let’s not rewrite history. The EU did not fund Mastodon. Eugen did. The EU is now funding Mastodon *after* one person made it what it is.
  And that’s the exact issue with EU funding I was talking in my speech at the parliament however many years ago. Nothing’s changed.
  Our efforts are also entirely self/community-funded (not for lack of trying). Once the Small Web is out & sustainable, I assume some FOMO will kick in and they might fund a feature or two.
  @EU_Commission @EDPS @noybeu
  
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  Jordan Maris 🇪🇺 🇺🇦 #NAFO (jmaris@eupolicy.social)'s status on Tuesday, 14-Nov-2023 21:11:12 JST Jordan Maris 🇪🇺 🇺🇦 #NAFO
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  @aral @EU_Commission @EDPS @noybeu as is the EU, one of the key funders of the software we are communicating on now.
  
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  Aral Balkan (aral@mastodon.ar.al)'s status on Tuesday, 14-Nov-2023 21:12:27 JST Aral Balkan
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  @jmaris (But I won’t be holding my breath. Nor will we be dependent on it. Learned not to depend on the shifting winds of politically-backed funding a while ago.)
  @EU_Commission @EDPS @noybeu
  
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  Aral Balkan (aral@mastodon.ar.al)'s status on Tuesday, 14-Nov-2023 21:18:43 JST Aral Balkan
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  @jmaris Hint: the beginning is when it matters.
  Funny how some of us knew about it years before they did and they only learned about it when it became popular.
  Hmm… maybe it’s a systemic problem? 🤔
  @EU_Commission @EDPS @noybeu
  
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  Jordan Maris 🇪🇺 🇺🇦 #NAFO (jmaris@eupolicy.social)'s status on Tuesday, 14-Nov-2023 21:18:45 JST Jordan Maris 🇪🇺 🇺🇦 #NAFO
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  @aral @EU_Commission @EDPS @noybeu They didn't fund it from the beginning because they didn't know about it, and I never said they funded it from the beginning, please stop it with the strawmen...
  
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  Aral Balkan (aral@mastodon.ar.al)'s status on Tuesday, 14-Nov-2023 21:26:13 JST Aral Balkan
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  @jmaris Good, good. Here’s hoping not. Well, it’s been fun chatting. Take care.
  @EU_Commission @EDPS @noybeu
  
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  Jordan Maris 🇪🇺 🇺🇦 #NAFO (jmaris@eupolicy.social)'s status on Tuesday, 14-Nov-2023 21:26:14 JST Jordan Maris 🇪🇺 🇺🇦 #NAFO
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  @aral @EU_Commission @EDPS @noybeu
  There are so many fediverse projects that have received funding, including relatively new entrants, so perhaps it's not as systematic a problem as you might believe
  https://www.ngi.eu/blog/2022/11/24/how-ngi-supports-open-interoperable-decentralised-and-trust-based-internet-applications-through-fediverse-projects-like-mastodon/
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    Within the Next Generation Internet Initiative, we have been working towards alternative futures for the internet to create a resilient, trustworthy and sustainableinternet. These alternate futures have one thing in common: they are based on technology commons: open standards, free and open source software and hardware, and open data.
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  Aral Balkan (aral@mastodon.ar.al)'s status on Tuesday, 14-Nov-2023 22:38:54 JST Aral Balkan
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  @jmaris @EU_Commission @EDPS @noybeu You too :)
  
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  Jordan Maris 🇪🇺 🇺🇦 #NAFO (jmaris@eupolicy.social)'s status on Tuesday, 14-Nov-2023 22:38:55 JST Jordan Maris 🇪🇺 🇺🇦 #NAFO
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  @aral @EU_Commission @EDPS @noybeu have a good one :)
  
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