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   Julia Evans (b0rk@social.jvns.ca)'s status on Friday, 10-Nov-2023 01:20:06 JST Julia Evans

   i have this long term project I've been slowly thinking about for years to figure out how to help folks get more comfortable on the unix command line.

   I have this sense that there are a lot of people who have been using the command line for 5-20 years but still don't really feel at home there

   (not looking for advice, it's just something I'm thinking about)

   some related posts:
   https://jvns.ca/blog/2023/08/08/what-helps-people-get-comfortable-on-the-command-line-/
   https://jvns.ca/blog/2022/04/12/a-list-of-new-ish--command-line-tools/

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     Julia Evans (b0rk@social.jvns.ca)'s status on Friday, 10-Nov-2023 02:41:43 JST Julia Evans

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     • Molly
     • Yet Another EU Nerd

     @yaeunerd @DerMolly something i think a lot about a lot is how even though the unix command line is mostly the same as it was in the 90s the context of how most people use it and learn it has changed a LOT.

     for example I learned the command line in the 2000s through a very "install arch linux and suffer” approach which (while it was very effective for me and I had fun doing it) definitely isn't for everyone

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     Yet Another EU Nerd (yaeunerd@fosstodon.org)'s status on Friday, 10-Nov-2023 02:41:46 JST Yet Another EU Nerd

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     • Molly

     @b0rk @DerMolly

     I think this reddit comment hit it right on the money.

     On reflection I honestly don't have any *good* advice for that redditor - and I spend my whole day in the terminal.

     New (ie: generally better designed) tools _help_; but don't really alleviate the problem completely.

     It reminds me of "gamers" when they say "just get good" - it's infuriating to hear until you, yourself, have also gotten good

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     Julia Evans (b0rk@social.jvns.ca)'s status on Friday, 10-Nov-2023 02:41:48 JST Julia Evans

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     • Molly

     @DerMolly i think this reddit comment is a good example of someone speaking from that perspective https://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/luk6zk/why_does_the_cli_scare_people/gp6xsdq/

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     Molly (dermolly@toot.kif.rocks)'s status on Friday, 10-Nov-2023 02:41:50 JST Molly

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     @b0rk Could you elaborate what you mean by „don‘t really feel at home“?

     Also this projects sounds like a fantastic idea.

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     phiofx (phiofx@hachyderm.io)'s status on Friday, 10-Nov-2023 04:03:14 JST phiofx

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     @b0rk I do feel perfectly at home at the command line, but after, dunno, 30 years I have this weird sense that the "home" has *many* more rooms than what I am aware of? 😂