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Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell: (lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me)'s status on Tuesday, 07-Nov-2023 10:47:50 JST Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell:
Synapse & Dendrite relicensing in a way is a painful reminder that Matrix still isn't much of a standard due to the lack of complete enough independent implementation, you're hard-stuck with whatever the Matrix Foundation does. -
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Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell: (lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me)'s status on Tuesday, 07-Nov-2023 10:54:26 JST Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell:
And given the choice of a CLA with explicit proprietary licensing instead of something more balanced (best there being DCO), I quite fear an Open-Core version of Matrix software, hopefully that's just fear.
And if you want to know why it's bad look at Gitlab where the open-source core lacks critical features like proper spam-filtering. -
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Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell: (lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me)'s status on Tuesday, 07-Nov-2023 10:56:56 JST Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell:
@nyx Yeah, at least since Element and the failure of having independent implementations I just take Matrix as Signal/Telegram but open-source enough for most folks to ignore the issues at hand.
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??? 妛彁 :xf_nyxsigil: :xf_nyxdisapproving: (nyx@social.xenofem.me)'s status on Tuesday, 07-Nov-2023 10:56:57 JST ??? 妛彁 :xf_nyxsigil: :xf_nyxdisapproving:
@lanodan I've seen this coming for a long time. it was pretty fucking obvious to me that Matrix was positioning itself to have even more control of its so-called community and protocol standard -
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Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell: (lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me)'s status on Tuesday, 07-Nov-2023 11:16:08 JST Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell:
@schmittlauch probably with a license that effectively allows them to have proprietary addons (so not a viral-copyleft license) -
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Trolli Schmittlauch 🦥 (schmittlauch@toot.matereal.eu)'s status on Tuesday, 07-Nov-2023 11:16:09 JST Trolli Schmittlauch 🦥
@lanodan GitLab though has switched from CLA to DCO a while back. I yet need to figure out how they manage to pull off their enterprisey OpenCore stuff with that.
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Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell: (lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me)'s status on Tuesday, 07-Nov-2023 11:21:23 JST Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell:
@schmittlauch Which isn't great but at least means that a balance is kept, for example no means to change to a license incompatible with the original one (which I find to be much more meaningful than an OSI/FSF restriction in practice). -
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Trolli Schmittlauch 🦥 (schmittlauch@toot.matereal.eu)'s status on Tuesday, 07-Nov-2023 11:26:10 JST Trolli Schmittlauch 🦥
@lanodan yes, but that reduces their competitive advantage as they're not the only ones capable of pulling this off. Everyone could do a proprietary premium fork then.
This actually requires them to be good at what they're doing :O
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Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell: (lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me)'s status on Tuesday, 07-Nov-2023 11:27:10 JST Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell:
@schmittlauch Or to be so bad that no one else would touch their code.
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