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   Kit Rhett Aultman (roadriverrail@signs.codes)'s status on Saturday, 04-Nov-2023 04:32:38 JST Kit Rhett Aultman

   • Sabrina✨

   @ryanhoulihan Some people do genuinely want to be offered revenge, though. It's not a solution, but it's something on offer that they want. I personally know people who just want to spite and hurt their imagined enemies.

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     Jono Ferguson (jonoabroad@mastodon.nz)'s status on Saturday, 04-Nov-2023 04:41:48 JST Jono Ferguson

     • Sabrina✨

     @ryanhoulihan there used to be a time when the right wing in the US weren't just evil.

     If there are any right wing US politicians that aren't evil and loopy runts - they don't make the news in NZ.

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     Kit Rhett Aultman (roadriverrail@signs.codes)'s status on Saturday, 04-Nov-2023 04:42:44 JST Kit Rhett Aultman

     • Sabrina✨

     @ryanhoulihan That "So?" was a very unwelcome start to your response.

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     Chuck (crdfilm@mastodon.social)'s status on Saturday, 04-Nov-2023 04:43:53 JST Chuck

     • Sabrina✨

     @ryanhoulihan I wish there was a way to knock some sense into people, but at this point they are either too embarrassed to admit they've been gravely wrong about their political party, or are just too driven by hatred for anyone who isn't them to care, oblivious to the fact that empowering the people who hate the same people as them isn't going to gain them anything in the long run. They'll all be in the same boat as the rest of us and all we'll be able to say then is "I told you so".

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     Kit Rhett Aultman (roadriverrail@signs.codes)'s status on Saturday, 04-Nov-2023 04:45:12 JST Kit Rhett Aultman

     • Sabrina✨

     @ryanhoulihan If you're going to be like that, it's likely best we completely terminate our mutual follows.

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     Kit Rhett Aultman (roadriverrail@signs.codes)'s status on Saturday, 04-Nov-2023 04:47:27 JST Kit Rhett Aultman

     • Sabrina✨

     @ryanhoulihan If you think having some base civility is tone policing and respectability politics, especially with someone who actually fundamentally agrees with you but wanted to make a minor distinction in two concepts along the way, then it's better if we don't talk.

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     Kyle Anderson 💙 (kandersonus@mastodon.social)'s status on Saturday, 04-Nov-2023 04:53:09 JST Kyle Anderson 💙

     • Sabrina✨

     @ryanhoulihan @roadriverrail Sad thread is sad - Twitter-esque.

     Saying this as we are (were?) all mutual followers. Everything could have been better handled here. 😥

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     Kit Rhett Aultman (roadriverrail@signs.codes)'s status on Saturday, 04-Nov-2023 04:58:42 JST Kit Rhett Aultman

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     • Sabrina✨
     • Kyle Anderson 💙

     @kandersonus @ryanhoulihan Appreciate the peacemaker position you're trying to be in here, but my initial response was perfectly reasonable and I don't deserve to be lashed out at.

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     Spooky Wetstew (wetstew@mastodon.social)'s status on Saturday, 04-Nov-2023 05:00:34 JST Spooky Wetstew

     • Sabrina✨

     @ryanhoulihan it's so fucked up.

     Conservatives are good at seeing that there is *something wrong*, honestly better than most Neo-Liberals, but they draw the exact wrong conclusions and the worse solutions.

     That's not even taking into account when they see something wrong and it's only wrong to them because they are bigoted.

     Like, you try to explain the nuance of an issue and inevitably get hung up on how beating children more isn't going to fix the economy.

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     MKW (mkw@mstdn.social)'s status on Saturday, 04-Nov-2023 05:49:26 JST MKW

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     • Sabrina✨
     • Jono Ferguson
     • Stoat

     @Stoat @ryanhoulihan @jonoabroad I said “early 80s”—when inequality went from too low to healthy. Since then, I agree, it’s been a disaster!

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     Stoat (stoat@mastodon.scot)'s status on Saturday, 04-Nov-2023 05:49:27 JST Stoat

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     • Sabrina✨
     • Jono Ferguson
     • MKW

     @MKW @ryanhoulihan @jonoabroad

     If "worked" means "inequality increased to record levels and to maintain their position, the wealthy waged campaigns via recently purchased media corps to get the public to blame immigrants, Black people, gays, trans, nurses, unions for their financial woes" then yes, totally worked.

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     MKW (mkw@mstdn.social)'s status on Saturday, 04-Nov-2023 05:49:28 JST MKW

     • Sabrina✨
     • Jono Ferguson

     @ryanhoulihan @jonoabroad Well, there was a brief period in the early 80s when their policies worked. That’s all I can think of…

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     perfect brains (perfect_brains@social.freetalklive.com)'s status on Saturday, 04-Nov-2023 06:33:52 JST perfect brains

     • Sabrina✨

     @ryanhoulihan

     " if you find yourself agreeing with the right wing, you are wrong about whatever issue it is. You're incorrect. You have failed to understand "

     what an absurd and unprovable statement

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     Tim Ward ⭐🇪🇺🔶 #FBPE (timwardcam@c.im)'s status on Saturday, 04-Nov-2023 06:49:20 JST Tim Ward ⭐🇪🇺🔶 #FBPE

     • Sabrina✨

     @ryanhoulihan Conservatives have a *lot* to offer people who are fundamentally haters and who get off on seeing other people's lives fucked up.

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     Tim Ward ⭐🇪🇺🔶 #FBPE (timwardcam@c.im)'s status on Saturday, 04-Nov-2023 06:50:48 JST Tim Ward ⭐🇪🇺🔶 #FBPE

     • Sabrina✨

     @ryanhoulihan Nah, it's not an illusion. Putin's 17.4m #brexshitters voted to fuck up other people's lives and got exactly what they wanted. (So they are no doubt deliriously happy now.)

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     MKW (mkw@mstdn.social)'s status on Saturday, 04-Nov-2023 07:06:42 JST MKW

     • Sabrina✨
     • Jono Ferguson
     • Stoat

     @Stoat @ryanhoulihan @jonoabroad lol, no.
     Inequality as a record-lows in the late 70s. IMO, that’s why interest rates were so high and stock prices were so low. Rich people provide investment capital.
     By the late 80s, inequality was in the sweet spot. Since then, it’s gone crazy.

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     MKW (mkw@mstdn.social)'s status on Saturday, 04-Nov-2023 07:29:28 JST MKW

     • Sabrina✨
     • Jono Ferguson
     • Stoat

     @Stoat @jonoabroad @ryanhoulihan I’m a firm believer in progressive, regulated capitalism. Think the US in the 50s and 60s. BTW, the top tax rate back then was as high as 94%. We need that kind of rate today.
     The give-everything-to-the-rich bullshit we have now is unsustainable and fucking-up everything from the climate to housing to the media.
     What kind of system would you prefer?

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     Tim Ward ⭐🇪🇺🔶 #FBPE (timwardcam@c.im)'s status on Saturday, 04-Nov-2023 07:37:32 JST Tim Ward ⭐🇪🇺🔶 #FBPE

     • Sabrina✨

     @ryanhoulihan Well ... my theory is that haters just luuuurve hating. So if one target is dealt with they move on to the next one. That's what makes them "happy" - certainly nothing else does!!

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     Weasel (weaselx86@mastodon.social)'s status on Saturday, 04-Nov-2023 07:38:37 JST Weasel

     • Sabrina✨

     @ryanhoulihan

     Calls for "civility" most often come from supporters of the status quo.

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     libramoon (libramoon@mastodon.social)'s status on Saturday, 04-Nov-2023 07:43:57 JST libramoon

     • Sabrina✨

     @ryanhoulihan

     Are "Right" and "Conservative"
     now code for cruel?

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     DryBird227 (drybird227@mastodon.social)'s status on Saturday, 04-Nov-2023 08:05:25 JST DryBird227

     • Sabrina✨

     @ryanhoulihan I know you said not to. But whole scientific studies should be done on the kinds of people the right appeals to. Because. They are the absolute most insecure human beings to ever walk the face of the earth.

     Always with a chip on their shoulder like the world owes them something. And have basically chopped and screwed their own minds so much. They'd get 2+2= 4 wrong.

     It makes them feel better about themselves because they have no other way to do so.

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     Sane Thinker (gdeihl@spore.social)'s status on Saturday, 04-Nov-2023 09:01:17 JST Sane Thinker

     • Sabrina✨

     @ryanhoulihan Control of world resources are won with violence and cruelty. That's the game. Those not benefitting are brainwashed minions. Brainwashing is so embedded and pervasive, it's unseen.

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     MKW (mkw@mstdn.social)'s status on Saturday, 04-Nov-2023 09:02:02 JST MKW

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     • Sabrina✨
     • Jono Ferguson
     • Stoat

     @jonoabroad @Stoat @ryanhoulihan So… janitors and brain surgeons should get paid the same?

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     Stoat (stoat@mastodon.scot)'s status on Saturday, 04-Nov-2023 09:02:03 JST Stoat

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     • Sabrina✨
     • Jono Ferguson
     • MKW

     @MKW @ryanhoulihan @jonoabroad

     "too low"

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     ZDigDog (zepfur@mastodon.social)'s status on Tuesday, 07-Nov-2023 20:16:43 JST ZDigDog

     • Sabrina✨

     @ryanhoulihan meh, to say that conservatism offers a conservative nothing would be to gaslight them with the liberal position.

     a conservative could say the exact same thing about a liberal candidate offering nothing to liberals, it means absolutely nothing by itself because it's emotionally driven and not backed by any useful information.

     if someone can think of even one reason to be a liberal or a conservative, then surely there's people out there who hold beliefs based on this reasoning.