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   Evan Prodromou (evan@cosocial.ca)'s status on Friday, 03-Nov-2023 22:34:01 JST Evan Prodromou

   https://www.un.org/unispal/document/gaza-is-running-out-of-time-un-experts-warn-demanding-a-ceasefire-to-prevent-genocide/

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     Evan Prodromou (evan@cosocial.ca)'s status on Saturday, 04-Nov-2023 07:31:35 JST Evan Prodromou

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     It is never too late to stop this war.

     #CeaseFireNow #EndTheWar

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     Evan Prodromou (evan@cosocial.ca)'s status on Saturday, 04-Nov-2023 08:10:54 JST Evan Prodromou

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     • Lambic

     @lambic it doesn't, no.

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     Lambic (lambic@social.linux.pizza)'s status on Saturday, 04-Nov-2023 08:10:57 JST Lambic

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     @evan I was going to ask which one, but then it doesn't really matter does it?

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     Joe :tinoflag: (antigrav@mastodon.nz)'s status on Sunday, 05-Nov-2023 05:16:49 JST Joe :tinoflag:

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     • James M.

     @jamesmarshall @evan , yes, both Jews and Palestinians lived reasonably happy together until Israel declared apartheid and started claiming all for itself !

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     Evan Prodromou (evan@cosocial.ca)'s status on Sunday, 05-Nov-2023 05:16:49 JST Evan Prodromou

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     • James M.

     @Antigrav @jamesmarshall that's not really true. There were significant Jewish-Arab armed conflicts, with serious loss of life, in Mandate Palestine.

     https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intercommunal_conflict_in_Mandatory_Palestine

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     James M. (jamesmarshall@sfba.social)'s status on Sunday, 05-Nov-2023 05:16:50 JST James M.

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     • Joe :tinoflag:

     @Antigrav @evan yes, I agree that Palestinians should have equal rights as Israelis. There are many things that need to be done in the long term. But I'm asking more immediately: If we want a ceasefire now, then how can we a) get the hostages back, and b) prevent hamas from attacking again in the future? If we had good answers to those questions, I think support for a ceasefire would increase. They are valid concerns.

     Be careful about collective punishment, as you seem to equate Zionism with Israel and Judaism. Many Israelis and Jews elsewhere have been speaking up for Palestinian rights for decades. Also, make sure you appreciate what they're dealing with-- hamas is very literally calling for the extermination of all Jews worldwide, as they always have, and do not recognize Israel's right to exist. Worst of all, hamas has a lot of support from Iran and other anti-Israel countries.

     If you don't think Israel has a right to exist: Both Jews and Palestinians are indigenous there.

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     James M. (jamesmarshall@sfba.social)'s status on Sunday, 05-Nov-2023 05:16:52 JST James M.

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     @evan I agree, and I'm pushing for a ceasefire myself. However, it leaves some major open issues: What about the hostages? and How can Israel ensure hamas doesn't attack more, as is hamas' stated intention?

     I'm genuinely looking for answers to these, but haven't seen any ideas. I'm guessing that if reasonable solutions were offered, there would be more support for a ceasefire within Israel, which is probably where it matters the most.

     I'm *not* saying the current bombing and invasion of Gaza help either of these issues; in fact, I think they make both issues worse, and are breeding immeasurable, global anti-Israel sentiment. But I do think those are understandable questions asked by those who aren't supporting a ceasefire. Yes, it would all be easier if Netanyahu hadn't treated Palestinians so badly in the past, but we can't change the past.

     Long-term peace seems impossible as long as either hamas or Netanyahu is in power, since they both actively oppose peace. They have that in common. :(

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     Joe :tinoflag: (antigrav@mastodon.nz)'s status on Sunday, 05-Nov-2023 05:16:52 JST Joe :tinoflag:

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     • James M.

     @jamesmarshall @evan , giving Palestinians the same status as Israeli citizens would be a start then have peace talks and initiate paying reparations...
     the only other way for Israel is down - the world has woken up to what is really going on and continuing on their present path, the world will never forgive them...
     not Zionism, not Israel and not Judaism (the last for not speaking up earlier).

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     Evan Prodromou (evan@cosocial.ca)'s status on Thursday, 31-Oct-2024 08:32:34 JST Evan Prodromou

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     • AaronNGray

     @AaronNGray yes, and it's still not too late

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     AaronNGray (aaronngray@geekdom.social)'s status on Thursday, 31-Oct-2024 08:32:35 JST AaronNGray

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     • AaronNGray

     @evan @AaronNGray We are now 12 months on :(