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   James M. (jamesmarshall@sfba.social)'s status on Sunday, 05-Nov-2023 05:16:50 JST James M.

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   @Antigrav @evan yes, I agree that Palestinians should have equal rights as Israelis. There are many things that need to be done in the long term. But I'm asking more immediately: If we want a ceasefire now, then how can we a) get the hostages back, and b) prevent hamas from attacking again in the future? If we had good answers to those questions, I think support for a ceasefire would increase. They are valid concerns.

   Be careful about collective punishment, as you seem to equate Zionism with Israel and Judaism. Many Israelis and Jews elsewhere have been speaking up for Palestinian rights for decades. Also, make sure you appreciate what they're dealing with-- hamas is very literally calling for the extermination of all Jews worldwide, as they always have, and do not recognize Israel's right to exist. Worst of all, hamas has a lot of support from Iran and other anti-Israel countries.

   If you don't think Israel has a right to exist: Both Jews and Palestinians are indigenous there.