I installed Ubuntu 10.10 it had an OS integrated chat client that could talk to everyone from everything and now in 2023 I have to go through hell to install Discord only to be met with like 300 upsells for Nitro
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Emma (ipg@wetdry.world)'s status on Friday, 03-Nov-2023 02:42:30 JST Emma -
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Dushman (dushman@den.raccoon.quest)'s status on Friday, 03-Nov-2023 02:42:28 JST Dushman @ipg@wetdry.world
XMPP and Mumble supremacy. Uninstall Discord. :INTJ_Stare:mia likes this. -
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Dushman (dushman@den.raccoon.quest)'s status on Friday, 03-Nov-2023 02:42:29 JST Dushman @ipg@wetdry.world
Also IRC for big groupsmia likes this. -
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𝅙𝅙𝅙𝅙𝅙𝅙𝅙𝅙 (jihadjimmy@the.asbestos.cafe)'s status on Friday, 03-Nov-2023 02:43:02 JST 𝅙𝅙𝅙𝅙𝅙𝅙𝅙𝅙 @dushman @ipg
Yeah, it's a braindead mindset what's the problem, not Mumble or XMPP being tOo hArD.
I showed Mumble and XMPP to my normietard Tiktok-pilled friends, they could totally use them without trouble because it's easier than setting up a fucking Minecraft server which they do every now and then, the problem is that no one gives a shit.mia likes this. -
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Dushman (dushman@den.raccoon.quest)'s status on Friday, 03-Nov-2023 02:43:03 JST Dushman @ipg@wetdry.world
Maybe IRC is expecting a little too much but I got a bunch of less tech inclined friends on XMPP as well as Mumble and they have no issue using those. -
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Emma (ipg@wetdry.world)'s status on Friday, 03-Nov-2023 02:43:04 JST Emma @dushman I love XMPP as much as the next guy and all I gotta say to that is you are delusional if you think using it is better than Discord in 2023 for The Average Person
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meso (meso@the.asbestos.cafe)'s status on Friday, 03-Nov-2023 02:44:59 JST meso @jihadjimmy @dushman Gajim is the worst, don't pretend it's not the single worst and buggiest XMPP client like Dushman does -
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𝅙𝅙𝅙𝅙𝅙𝅙𝅙𝅙 (jihadjimmy@the.asbestos.cafe)'s status on Friday, 03-Nov-2023 02:45:00 JST 𝅙𝅙𝅙𝅙𝅙𝅙𝅙𝅙 @meso @dushman
The fuck are you smoking, XMPP with OMEMO works fine and almost never gives issues with encryption. A lot of clients suck but Gajim, Psi+ and Conversations work fine. -
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meso (meso@the.asbestos.cafe)'s status on Friday, 03-Nov-2023 02:45:01 JST meso @jihadjimmy @dushman @ipg encryption kept breaking in that group and the clients are nightmarish compared to chad IRC clients that are just TEXT the way TEXT chats were meant to be -
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𝅙𝅙𝅙𝅙𝅙𝅙𝅙𝅙 (jihadjimmy@the.asbestos.cafe)'s status on Friday, 03-Nov-2023 02:45:02 JST 𝅙𝅙𝅙𝅙𝅙𝅙𝅙𝅙 @meso @dushman @ipg
> and XMPP was being shit as always
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meso (meso@the.asbestos.cafe)'s status on Friday, 03-Nov-2023 02:45:03 JST meso @dushman @ipg Dawg you were the only one in the group vocally against using IRC when encryption was breaking and XMPP was being shit as always CC: @jihadjimmy -
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gh0st (gh0st@freespeechextremist.com)'s status on Friday, 03-Nov-2023 02:46:04 JST gh0st @ipg @dushman posted from gajim using fedi->IRC->XMPP bridge -
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Lina Inver?e (lina@eientei.org)'s status on Friday, 03-Nov-2023 02:49:38 JST Lina Inver?e @meso @dushman @jihadjimmy the solution for groupchat encryption is having groupchats hosted on the same server as all the users who join it -
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meso (meso@the.asbestos.cafe)'s status on Friday, 03-Nov-2023 02:49:39 JST meso @jihadjimmy @dushman options:
- Dino (buggy since 0.4.2, featureless GNOME soyfaggotry)
- Gajim (python piece of shit, kill whoever developed that buggy pile of horseshit)
- Psi+ (decent, a little clunkyesque and has some annoying routines you have to do that probably have a way around them but i dont know what they are, also encryption is impossible in group chats)
- Profanity (good idea, shit implementation, good luck managing a contact's 23 undeleteable keys with COMMANDS)
- Conversation (pretty decent, but phonecels only)
- there is nothing else that is good even though the protocol has existed for over 20 years and most of the current options (5) are Shitesque
Solution: IRC -
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Lina Inver?e (lina@eientei.org)'s status on Friday, 03-Nov-2023 02:49:52 JST Lina Inver?e @meso @dushman @jihadjimmy then you don't need encryption unless the admin (if he's not you) is untrustworthy -
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Dushman (dushman@den.raccoon.quest)'s status on Friday, 03-Nov-2023 03:03:36 JST Dushman @paula@comp.lain.la @meso@the.asbestos.cafe @jihadjimmy@the.asbestos.cafe gajim just worksI second this lol. It just works.
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paula (paula@comp.lain.la)'s status on Friday, 03-Nov-2023 03:03:37 JST paula @meso @dushman @jihadjimmy gajim just works -
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✙ dcc :pedomustdie: :phear_slackware: (dcc@annihilation.social)'s status on Friday, 03-Nov-2023 03:04:04 JST ✙ dcc :pedomustdie: :phear_slackware: @dushman @meso @jihadjimmy @paula I third this, now that it works on openbsd. -
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meso (meso@the.asbestos.cafe)'s status on Friday, 03-Nov-2023 03:16:00 JST meso @dushman @jihadjimmy @paula i can get you 8 people that know Gajim is utter dogshit written by morons, the only reason "it just werks" for you is because they duct taped the horrid codebase with a discordesque redesign, it will break in a few months and youll be like Gajim is scuffed lol use <shit replacement> -
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Dushman (dushman@den.raccoon.quest)'s status on Friday, 03-Nov-2023 03:16:01 JST Dushman @jihadjimmy@the.asbestos.cafe @meso@the.asbestos.cafe @paula@comp.lain.la
It's just as reliable as conversations. Idk what he's smoking. -
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𝅙𝅙𝅙𝅙𝅙𝅙𝅙𝅙 (jihadjimmy@the.asbestos.cafe)'s status on Friday, 03-Nov-2023 03:16:02 JST 𝅙𝅙𝅙𝅙𝅙𝅙𝅙𝅙 @meso @dushman @paula
> my distro
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meso (meso@the.asbestos.cafe)'s status on Friday, 03-Nov-2023 03:16:04 JST meso @jihadjimmy @dushman @paula ive ran it since 2020 and every time its been a buggy nightmare on my distro. -
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𝅙𝅙𝅙𝅙𝅙𝅙𝅙𝅙 (jihadjimmy@the.asbestos.cafe)'s status on Friday, 03-Nov-2023 03:16:05 JST 𝅙𝅙𝅙𝅙𝅙𝅙𝅙𝅙 @dushman @meso @paula
Quite amazing that I agree with dushman on something, broken clocks are right twice a day. -
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meso (meso@the.asbestos.cafe)'s status on Friday, 03-Nov-2023 03:16:08 JST meso @jihadjimmy @dushman @paula try calling, you dont have those dependencies. NORMAL software like Mumble doesnt need retarded gstreamer python dependencies to function. -
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𝅙𝅙𝅙𝅙𝅙𝅙𝅙𝅙 (jihadjimmy@the.asbestos.cafe)'s status on Friday, 03-Nov-2023 03:16:09 JST 𝅙𝅙𝅙𝅙𝅙𝅙𝅙𝅙 @meso @dushman @paula
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meso (meso@the.asbestos.cafe)'s status on Friday, 03-Nov-2023 03:16:10 JST meso @dushman @jihadjimmy @paula lol how many thousands of Python dependencies do you have installed? got good bad and ugly because it doesn't "just work" unless you install that mess of dependencies, calls are broken -
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Dushman (dushman@den.raccoon.quest)'s status on Friday, 03-Nov-2023 03:16:11 JST Dushman @meso@the.asbestos.cafe @jihadjimmy@the.asbestos.cafe @paula@comp.lain.la
I'm running the Arch package and it works without any issues whatsoever lol. Your setup is wack. -
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meso (meso@the.asbestos.cafe)'s status on Friday, 03-Nov-2023 03:16:12 JST meso @jihadjimmy @dushman @paula on all of my distro*
it probably works fine on fedora or jurassic park debian, not for Real Men's Distros -
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𝅙𝅙𝅙𝅙𝅙𝅙𝅙𝅙 (jihadjimmy@the.asbestos.cafe)'s status on Friday, 03-Nov-2023 03:32:00 JST 𝅙𝅙𝅙𝅙𝅙𝅙𝅙𝅙 @meso @dushman @paula
I heavily rely on yt-dlp to avoid having to touch Javascrap DASH and HLS anyways, I'd rather pick Python over that shit all day.
If I ever need VC I will use Mumble, not XMPP.mia likes this. -
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mia (mia@freespeechextremist.com)'s status on Friday, 03-Nov-2023 03:33:22 JST mia @meso @dushman @jihadjimmy @paula @suprem_dolbojob
Ubuntu Snap Supremacy, everything just works. -
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meso (meso@the.asbestos.cafe)'s status on Friday, 03-Nov-2023 03:33:23 JST meso @dushman @jihadjimmy @paula @suprem_dolbojob the Unity of XMPP* -
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meso (meso@the.asbestos.cafe)'s status on Friday, 03-Nov-2023 03:33:25 JST meso @suprem_dolbojob @paula @dushman @jihadjimmy Gajim is the GNOME of XMPP clients -
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meso (meso@the.asbestos.cafe)'s status on Friday, 03-Nov-2023 03:33:25 JST meso @suprem_dolbojob @dushman @jihadjimmy @paula Dino is like, the MATE of XMPP. its a little lighter but its kinda shit though MATE Isnt really shit theres nothing better to compare it with -
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I wonder who this could be (suprem_dolbojob@comp.lain.la)'s status on Friday, 03-Nov-2023 03:33:26 JST I wonder who this could be @jihadjimmy @paula @dushman @meso >avoid having to touch Javascrap
you fucking retard you're not avoiding javascript you're just running it in a python script instead of a browser -
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iced depresso (icedquinn@blob.cat)'s status on Friday, 03-Nov-2023 03:36:47 JST iced depresso @dushman @meso @jihadjimmy @suprem_dolbojob @paula > vala is crap
citation needed :blobcatwaitwhat: software gonna be like that when you're using tons of rich text and webviews and shit -
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Dushman (dushman@den.raccoon.quest)'s status on Friday, 03-Nov-2023 03:36:48 JST Dushman @meso@the.asbestos.cafe @suprem_dolbojob@comp.lain.la @jihadjimmy@the.asbestos.cafe @paula@comp.lain.la
Gajim is using 180MB of RAM for me rn. Could be better but it's definitely a lot lighter than Dino lol. -
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Dushman (dushman@den.raccoon.quest)'s status on Friday, 03-Nov-2023 03:36:49 JST Dushman @meso@the.asbestos.cafe @suprem_dolbojob@comp.lain.la @jihadjimmy@the.asbestos.cafe @paula@comp.lain.la a little lighterYeah especially when it memleaks and eats 4gb of RAM cuz vala is a piece of crap
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on-lain ✔ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ (lain@lain.com)'s status on Friday, 03-Nov-2023 03:39:24 JST on-lain ✔ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ @dushman @meso @jihadjimmy @suprem_dolbojob @paula #bloat -
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gh0st (gh0st@freespeechextremist.com)'s status on Friday, 03-Nov-2023 04:17:51 JST gh0st @ipg @dushman @ipg @dushman Fuck normies, bottom text. -
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7666 (7666@comp.lain.la)'s status on Friday, 03-Nov-2023 07:42:45 JST 7666 @dushman @meso @jihadjimmy @suprem_dolbojob @paula of course he doesn't dushman. why do you think his instance munches the entirety of 24GB of memory? why do you think i have a running bet to see whether or not he'll figure it out before the dedicated SSD i put his swapping instance on shits the bed from all the writes? ✙ dcc :pedomustdie: :phear_slackware: likes this. -
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Dushman (dushman@den.raccoon.quest)'s status on Friday, 03-Nov-2023 07:42:46 JST Dushman @meso@the.asbestos.cafe @jihadjimmy@the.asbestos.cafe @suprem_dolbojob@comp.lain.la @paula@comp.lain.la
I should not discuss anything tech related with you ever again. You don't even know the difference between virtual, shared and reserved memory. We've been through this exact same thing before and even on your machine it was using up 280-300 on start. -
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meso (meso@the.asbestos.cafe)'s status on Friday, 03-Nov-2023 07:42:47 JST meso @dushman @jihadjimmy @suprem_dolbojob @paula its not bait, I just booted it up and it uses 58MB of RAM, 0.1% CPU idling. its not sub-50 but its close -
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Dushman (dushman@den.raccoon.quest)'s status on Friday, 03-Nov-2023 07:42:48 JST Dushman @meso@the.asbestos.cafe @jihadjimmy@the.asbestos.cafe @suprem_dolbojob@comp.lain.la @paula@comp.lain.la
Shit bait dawg -
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meso (meso@the.asbestos.cafe)'s status on Friday, 03-Nov-2023 07:42:49 JST meso @dushman @jihadjimmy @suprem_dolbojob @paula it uses sub-50MB lol meds, sounds like your setup is dogshit -
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Dushman (dushman@den.raccoon.quest)'s status on Friday, 03-Nov-2023 07:42:50 JST Dushman @meso@the.asbestos.cafe @suprem_dolbojob@comp.lain.la @jihadjimmy@the.asbestos.cafe @paula@comp.lain.la
Dino eats like 300 as soon as it starts and then memleaks constantly -
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menherahair (menherahair@eientei.org)'s status on Friday, 03-Nov-2023 07:54:08 JST menherahair @lina @meso @dushman @jihadjimmy Akschully the best solution would be to simply encrypt to the whole room represented by a key, but there's no implementation like that because the logistics are hard. Authors of XEP-0373 (OpenPGP for XMPP) were toying with this idea potentially using a GPG extension to distribute subkeys to room members. ✙ dcc :pedomustdie: :phear_slackware: likes this. -
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7666 (7666@comp.lain.la)'s status on Friday, 03-Nov-2023 07:55:29 JST 7666 @dushman @meso @jihadjimmy @suprem_dolbojob @paula make dushman run yet another instance meso ✙ dcc :pedomustdie: :phear_slackware: likes this. -
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Dushman (dushman@den.raccoon.quest)'s status on Friday, 03-Nov-2023 07:55:30 JST Dushman @meso@the.asbestos.cafe @7666@comp.lain.la @jihadjimmy@the.asbestos.cafe @paula@comp.lain.la @suprem_dolbojob@comp.lain.la
I mean the same thing has happened before. You should maintain it more actively and try to resolve issues before they get too big. -
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meso (meso@the.asbestos.cafe)'s status on Friday, 03-Nov-2023 07:55:31 JST meso @7666 @dushman @jihadjimmy @paula @suprem_dolbojob I should just turn off the instance it's so god damn fucked i wonder if it can even be fixed at this point. i even did everything STANDARD and NORMAL and just installed it normally and let it run and it STILL does this, WHY -
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meso (meso@the.asbestos.cafe)'s status on Friday, 03-Nov-2023 07:55:33 JST meso @7666 @dushman @jihadjimmy @paula @suprem_dolbojob >every 2 weeks
More like 2 months -
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meso (meso@the.asbestos.cafe)'s status on Friday, 03-Nov-2023 07:55:34 JST meso @7666 @paula @suprem_dolbojob @dushman @jihadjimmy How the fuck does it get to 24GB of RAM, i have done nothing to this instance. I log in every 2 weeks. I hate this. Why does it do this. What the fuck?
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