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   earthling (appassionato@mastodon.social)'s status on Wednesday, 01-Nov-2023 22:46:40 JST earthling

   Resignation letter of the High Commissioner for Human Rights in New York.

   @palestine
   #Gaza
   #Israel
   #HumanRights
   #UN
   #genocide

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     • שי ברגר :python: Shai Berger

     @shaib @appassionato @palestine @Grandalf #Palestine

     For further reading I refer you to this:

     https://forward.com/opinion/417930/does-israel-have-a-right-to-exist-is-a-trick-question/

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     • Grandalf 𝘸𝘪𝘵𝘩 𝘢𝘯 𝘙 :kangaroo:

     @jburd @appassionato @palestine @Grandalf

     So, it stops being a colonial project once all the displaced are dead? Or does that have anything to do with the intents and self-definition of the "colonists"?

     But the major point, which I missed earlier is this: Are you saying that European ethno-nationalist settler colonial projects have a right to exist, and that is what we should read from the letter?

     pettter repeated this.
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     @shaib @appassionato @palestine @Grandalf "We can argue about that start"
     But we won't because that's silly.

     The difference is some Palestinians who were ethnically cleansed in 1948 are still alive. Palestinians refugees have not been allowed to return to their homes and land. And the continued ethnic cleansing (stealing of land and resources) is still very much a current project.

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     @shaib @appassionato @palestine @Grandalf "For the record, that letter claims that Israel has no right to exist ("The European ethno-nationalist, settler colonial project in Palestine")."

     He doesn't say it has no right to exist.

     He is correct in that the state Israel started as a European settler colonial project. Because people later moved there from places other than Europe doesn't change that fact.

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     • Grandalf 𝘸𝘪𝘵𝘩 𝘢𝘯 𝘙 :kangaroo:

     @jburd @appassionato @palestine @Grandalf

     We can argue about that start (e.g, colonial projects are usually carried by European states, and in this project there was no such power). But referring to Israel now as such a project is an absurd lie, as much as referring to Australia or the US as such is.

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     • Grandalf 𝘸𝘪𝘵𝘩 𝘢𝘯 𝘙 :kangaroo:

     @appassionato @palestine
     For the record, that letter claims that Israel has no right to exist ("The European ethno-nationalist, settler colonial project in Palestine"). Somehow, for the Jewish population in Israel, the right of self-definition does not apply. Not to mention the blatant lie -- close to half of the Jewish population in Israel is of middle-eastern or north-African origins.

     Israel is doing a lot of bad in Gaza and the West Bank. But this is lies and misrepresentations.
     @Grandalf