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   寮 (ryo@social.076.ne.jp)'s status on Sunday, 02-Oct-2022 01:50:42 JST 寮
   The Linux cummunity is very diverse.
   We have people who:
   ・just came from WinDOS or macOS (Linux Mint or Manjaro)
   ・want to stick to something as pure as possible (Slackware)
   ・are minimalists want to have full control over their own PC (Arch Linux)
   ・are minimalists want to have even more control over their own PC (Artix)
   ・are minimalists want to have as much control as possible over their own PC (Gentoo)
   ・love bloat so much that they're willing to work with a broken by design soystem (Ubuntu)
   ・want to run a server that just werx (Debian)
   ・want to run a server that just werx and has more freedom and more reasonable maintainers (Devuan)
   ・always want to have the latest version of Gnome and in its most original state possible (Fedora)
   ・always want to have the latest version of KDE Plasma and in its most original state possible (KDE Neon)
   ・want BSD but don't want to give up on Linux just yet (Void Linux)
   ・want to use it in Docker and/or want to run a Linux distro without GNU (Alpine)
   ・want to use it on a PinePhone, Librem 5, or an old Android phone (postmarketOS)
   ・just use something that exists for no real reason (openSUSE)
   ・don't want to have anything to do with Linux (OpenBSD)
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     Terminal Autism (terminalautism@social.076.ne.jp)'s status on Sunday, 02-Oct-2022 09:16:16 JST Terminal Autism

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     @ryo All of those are mostly identical and I don't particularly like any of them, and none of them are well-designed as far as the actual userspace goes. I just go with OpenBSD because I expect the WEF to bring the internet down and I suspect that Linux vulnerabilities will be part of that, along with hardware backdoors, and I want to reduce the chance of whatever they do affecting my network. Also, you basically can't avoid all the corporate aids out there because "free" software is completely pozzed, so it's good to have a system that may mitigate those. I'm also no security expert at all, so having solid defaults is good.
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     xianc78@gameliberty.club's status on Sunday, 02-Oct-2022 11:44:42 JST xianc78

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     @ryo I only stick to Linux Mint because I'm not some diehard *nix autist. I probably would still be using Windows if it wasn't blatant spyware and wasn't going for the OS as a service route.

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     寮 (ryo@social.076.ne.jp)'s status on Sunday, 02-Oct-2022 11:50:24 JST 寮

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     @xianc78 Honestly, having used many Linux distro's before and having used GNU/Linux since the mid-to-late 1990's as the only OS, I don't think any distro is really diehard.
     I only noticed that what is considered "beginner friendly" or "advanced user" is decided based on how much bloat is pre-installed out of the box (the more bloat the more "beginner friendly"), and whether the installer is done using Calamares or something else.
     
     But nowadays it's very easy to get used to Linux, even the "hardest to use Linux distro ever" can easily be learned in a matter of an hour or 2.
     
     In the end, the best Linux distro is whichever you're the most comfortable with.
     What truly matters is the desktop environment or window manager.
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     寮 (ryo@social.076.ne.jp)'s status on Sunday, 02-Oct-2022 12:35:33 JST 寮

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     > an environment that is frowned upon in the Linux community
     
     Because on FOSS operating systems the most productive workflow is different from proprietary operating systems.
     On FOSS OS's there's the Unix philosophy of do 1 thing and do it well, have smaller apps work together with each other, and so on.
     On proprietary slave OS's on the other hand you have giant all-in-one environments with no philosophy at all, so they're basically a jack of all trades and a master of none.
     
     Also, I personally prefer zsh over bash.
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     xianc78@gameliberty.club's status on Sunday, 02-Oct-2022 12:35:34 JST xianc78

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     @ryo I just never bothered learning shit like Slackware or Gentoo. I haven't even fully mastered bash and I have been using Linux in some form for over a decade. Most of my computer knowledge has been going towards game development which is all done in an environment that is frowned upon in the Linux community (.NET/Mono).

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     brimshae (brimshae@poa.st)'s status on Sunday, 02-Oct-2022 12:35:50 JST brimshae

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     @xianc78 @xianc78 @ryo Nothing wrong with Mint. It's great if you just want something out of the box that works or you want to dip someone elseps toes in to Linux.
     
     I got my wife comfortable with not only Mint but with dual booting a couple of years ago, to include the fact that Windows will refuse to show her anything on the Linux side.
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     寮 (ryo@social.076.ne.jp)'s status on Sunday, 02-Oct-2022 12:41:50 JST 寮

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     @raptor @xianc78
     > It takes about 10 years of linux to use arch with ease
     
     I used to have this same stereotype about Arch-based distro's, but once I installed it and started using it, it really wasn't all that bad.
     I actually found it easier than Ubuntu simply because you can solve problems by yourself much more easier without the distro trying to stand in the way.
     
     The only time I used WinDOS was back in middle school (I thought it was XP? it had the blue/green kind of background), and it was such a pain to use, I started taking along a Live CD with Damn Small Linux on it a week later, and just worked on that one instead.
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     raptor (raptor@ryona.agency)'s status on Sunday, 02-Oct-2022 12:41:54 JST raptor

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     @ryo @xianc78 I completely disagree with your take on advanced distros. It takes about 10 years of linux to use arch with ease, which means being able to solve really obscure issues almost immediately. Things like not being able to boot to DE because you need to remove an fstab entry that was created as result of messing around with KVM volumes, or losing your x session on artix because you're on nvidia and you changed unigine valley benchmark to 720p and now your x session is >900hz and your monitor just says "this signal is not compatible with your monitor" and all the articles online talk about systemd which you are not running. Ubuntu and Mint and definitely entry level but it doesn't mean they do not break down in odd ways. I'd say every stable version of Ubuntu has something awfully wrong with it and that thing changes every release. The worst that can happen on Windows is something works the way you don't want it to, the worst that can happen on linux is nothing works and you best figure out what happened - fast. Only way to get good at linux is just experience dealing with it, which is why I am saying the whole 10 years thing.
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     寮 (ryo@social.076.ne.jp)'s status on Sunday, 02-Oct-2022 12:46:09 JST 寮

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     @raptor @xianc78 I didn't know that 2005 was even considered mid-to-late 1990's though...
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     raptor (raptor@ryona.agency)'s status on Sunday, 02-Oct-2022 12:46:10 JST raptor

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     @ryo @xianc78 So you used linux since 2005 and have no issue with arch? Thanks for proving my point. People that gravitate towards Ubuntu and Mint can barely operate Windows and don't have all that advanced knowledge.
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     寮 (ryo@social.076.ne.jp)'s status on Sunday, 02-Oct-2022 12:48:18 JST 寮

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     • raptor
     @raptor @xianc78 I started Linux before I even heard about Windows in the first place.
     So no, your point isn't proven.
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     raptor (raptor@ryona.agency)'s status on Sunday, 02-Oct-2022 12:48:19 JST raptor

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     @ryo @xianc78 if you started linux since XP days thats a looooong time that teaches you concepts that help you across every distro.
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     寮 (ryo@social.076.ne.jp)'s status on Sunday, 02-Oct-2022 12:59:20 JST 寮

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     @raptor @xianc78 Yea, I just realized that you said that Ubuntu and Mint users are usually WinDOS refugees, so that's one mistake on my end.
     Though my point is that fundamental differences between Ubuntu and Arch isn't all that different.
     You still have all the system configs in /etc, all the binaries in /usr/bin (or /usr/local/bin), your home directory in /home, and so on.
     
     But it's true that your average Ubuntu or Mint user doesn't know that simply because they've been kind of isolated away from it (in the sense of "don't worry, the distro maintainer will handle this for you").
     The consequence of that is that when something breaks, they'll have no idea what to do and resort to just re-installing the entire OS.
     But then again, having knowledge of all of that isn't ultimately decided by the distro, because Ubuntu and Mint users can also just tinker around in system directories and files as much as Arch users can do, it's rather the average userbase each distro's attract.
     
     And honestly I'm fine with Arch having the "hard to use" stereotype, because at least it prevents the distro from being destroyed for both experienced users and beginners just to make it "more accessible" for just 0.0002% of the total userbase.
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     raptor (raptor@ryona.agency)'s status on Sunday, 02-Oct-2022 12:59:21 JST raptor

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     @ryo @xianc78 my point is if you have a decade of linux experience arch is nothing hard to use. You said you don't consider arch to be advanced, and then you proved you have over 20 years of general linux experience. I would consider that point to be proven.