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   Eugen Rochko (gargron@mastodon.social)'s status on Tuesday, 31-Oct-2023 04:59:52 JST Eugen Rochko

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   Thinking about the #Tumblr engineer who said they believe interoperability with the social web would just be a cost center and wouldn’t bring any profits. The point is not how interoperability affects the bottom line, the point is that it allows your platform to survive in an ever changing social media landscape and have a bottom line at all. If #Pebble was part of the social web, they would have had a network of 1.8M active users, not 1,000, and perhaps wouldn’t have had to shut down.

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     Erik Uden 🍑 (erikuden@mastodon.de)'s status on Tuesday, 31-Oct-2023 05:04:57 JST Erik Uden 🍑

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     Hah! Interoperability is one of the core ideals of the Internet, or rather ICANN :ICANN:. Imagine they would've thought about turning a profit when designing the very structure of digital communication in the 21st century.

     @Gargron

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     Javi A. (_jv_@mastodon.social)'s status on Tuesday, 31-Oct-2023 05:05:44 JST Javi A.

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     @Gargron I'm an ex-tumblr engineer and I 100% agree with you... Now, I think Cyle post needs to be contextualized with Tumblr's situation: it wasn't so much about not seeing the value, but about tumblr being in a dire position, with very limited resources, and having to focus the few devs it still has on things that stops it from losing money.

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     Yohan Yukiya Sese Cuneta 사요한🦣 (youronlyone@c.im)'s status on Tuesday, 31-Oct-2023 05:05:53 JST Yohan Yukiya Sese Cuneta 사요한🦣

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     @Gargron #Tumblr is out? They won't proceed with their plans?

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     Jayenkai [ J-N-K ] (jayenkai@mastodon.social)'s status on Tuesday, 31-Oct-2023 05:10:42 JST Jayenkai [ J-N-K ]

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     @Gargron I dunno, though. If my stats are anything to go by, they probably had way less users than even that.

     ... I had 3 of the things!

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     Anis (incroyable_anis@mastodon.social)'s status on Tuesday, 31-Oct-2023 05:10:57 JST Anis

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     @Gargron et au moins grâce à l'interreaupérabilité des utilisateurs d'autres plateformes peuvent voir ce qu'il s'y passe mais après je me demande comment cela évoluera dans le futur à mon avis Internet sera fragmenté une partie sera interopérable et décentralisée et une autre sera totalement fermée un peu comme mastodonte d'un côté et x.com de l'autre

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     eris (eris@akko.disqordia.space)'s status on Tuesday, 31-Oct-2023 05:10:57 JST eris

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     @Gargron wasn't Tumblr gonna federate whatever happened with that
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     jojo (boringaccount@mastodon.social)'s status on Tuesday, 31-Oct-2023 05:19:14 JST jojo

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     @eris @Gargron many platforms promised to federate with the fediverse but none have yet that i know of

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     casb osint (casb_osint@mastodon.social)'s status on Tuesday, 31-Oct-2023 05:54:09 JST casb osint

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     @Gargron 👌

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     casb osint (casb_osint@mastodon.social)'s status on Tuesday, 31-Oct-2023 05:56:00 JST casb osint

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     @Gargron They're extinct dinosaurs, Zhenya, and they should have the flag. This is the truth of life, nothing can be done (

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     Sarah Perez 💙 (sarahp@mastodon.social)'s status on Tuesday, 31-Oct-2023 06:00:06 JST Sarah Perez 💙

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     @Gargron thought about this too. Pebble believed trust & safety is too difficult on distributed networks, so made an intentional choice to be a centralized network. That was part of their value prop, but it didn't end up working out for them

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     Mike McCue (mike@flipboard.social)'s status on Tuesday, 31-Oct-2023 07:50:37 JST Mike McCue

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     @Gargron So true. I hope Tumblr ultimately sticks with the plan to federate.

     FTR Flipboard is now approx 70% completed with our federation work and honestly I think it will be great for our users, the broader #fediverse and our business.

     Can't wait to federate!

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     Evan Prodromou (evan@cosocial.ca)'s status on Tuesday, 31-Oct-2023 07:59:07 JST Evan Prodromou

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     @Gargron I'm really sorry to see #Pebble go. They had a lot of really good ideas, and not enough people to get critical mass. They should just move the domain and user accounts to a Mastodon server and let the community figure out next steps.

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     Calliope (calliope_g@mastodon.social)'s status on Tuesday, 31-Oct-2023 08:10:15 JST Calliope

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     @Gargron "too soon," I cry, clutching my chest and trying to connect a pebble to my new phone, failing utterly

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     Børge (forteller@tutoteket.no)'s status on Tuesday, 31-Oct-2023 08:49:55 JST Børge

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     @brennansv @Gargron Which is incredibly strange, since they're owned by the same company/guy

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     Brennan Stehling (brennansv@sfba.social)'s status on Tuesday, 31-Oct-2023 08:49:56 JST Brennan Stehling

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     @Gargron It is incredible if it is obvious the benefits of the net effects. Tumblr could adopt the WordPress model of having most of the software free and Open Source for anyone to host their own instance, or offer a paid hosting service that handles all updates and maintenance. Generating revenue from 5% of 3 million is better than 100% of 100k.

     "WordPress now powers 43.3% of websites, with a 65.1% share in the CMS market.”

     https://kinsta.com/blog/wordpress-statistics/
     https://colorlib.com/wp/wordpress-statistics/

     If the people inside Tumblr look at these WP stats and do not see how Tumblr would benefit from an open model they are completely missing out.

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     Javi A. (_jv_@mastodon.social)'s status on Tuesday, 31-Oct-2023 09:35:37 JST Javi A.

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     • Jayenkai [ J-N-K ]

     @Jayenkai @Gargron if the numbers I've seen about the fediverse are accurate, Tumblr has about 4-5 times more monthly active users than the entire fedi

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     Jonathan Glick (jonathanglick@mstdn.social)'s status on Tuesday, 31-Oct-2023 09:37:16 JST Jonathan Glick

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     @Gargron Interoperability in social apps addresses one of the biggest challenges any new network will face: the so-called 'cold start.'

     On the other hand, it also forces networks to remain good and useful, because users can, at least ideally, migrate away if they are unhappy.

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     LBeaudoux (lbdx@mastodon.social)'s status on Tuesday, 31-Oct-2023 18:39:08 JST LBeaudoux

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     @Gargron At this stage, the fediverse's audience is too small to attract established social networks, especially when, like #tumblr, they don't distribute much real-time news.

     The #fediverse will take off thanks to the publishers and curators who see #ActivityPub as an "interactive RSS feed" that liberates them from platforms. WordPress and Flipboard can play a key role in this.

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     Matthias Pfefferle (pfefferle@mastodon.social)'s status on Tuesday, 31-Oct-2023 18:49:03 JST Matthias Pfefferle

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     @lbdx @Gargron because of attraction https://help.instagram.com/169559812696339

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     Javi A. (_jv_@mastodon.social)'s status on Friday, 03-Nov-2023 16:35:31 JST Javi A.

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     @pfefferle @lbdx @Gargron if someone can make it happen, that's you, so I'm skeptical about the feasibility (of convincing the key people), but I'm rooting for you!