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   :pdx_elk: (rose@503junk.house)'s status on Monday, 30-Oct-2023 02:55:15 JST :pdx_elk:

   DAE feel like the whole "anarchism doesn't mean no rules" trope has done damage to the movement in the past 7 years or so? It's not just that line. There are many, and none of them are wrong. It's just, I feel like the shallow slogans are misinterpreted to mean anarchism as a psuedo state.

   I'm not sure what happened. Maybe it was The Coming Insurrection defanging insurrectionary anarchism. Maybe it was the popularity of communalism spiking. Maybe it was mutual aid being held up as revolutionary praxis uninformed by other anarchist pillars like autonomy and solidarity. Maybe it was the rise of Bernie Sanders and the DSA and the new wave of baby anarchists that emerged. Or maybe this was just always the case (Chomsky and Bookchin come to mind).

   IDK though, there seems to be a lot of "socdem + inflamatory rhetoric online" anarchism. I think a good example of this is "breadtube".

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     Rich Puchalsky :anarchism: (richpuchalsky@kolektiva.social)'s status on Monday, 30-Oct-2023 03:29:15 JST Rich Puchalsky :anarchism:

     • Håkan Geijer

     @hakan_geijer @rose

     Part of this is the difference between "post-left anarchism" (which is still anarchism, even according to a large majority of people who disagree with it), and the "post left", which was a US group of initially vaguely social democratic people disappointed with Bernie Sanders' loss that went rightward quickly and are now sort of the left wing of the alt-right. If you're not familiar with the minutae of US online politics you could easily mix them up.

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     Rich Puchalsky :anarchism: (richpuchalsky@kolektiva.social)'s status on Monday, 30-Oct-2023 03:37:44 JST Rich Puchalsky :anarchism:

     • Håkan Geijer

     @hakan_geijer

     I've interacted with a couple of people confused between the two (and saying bad things about individualist anarchism as a result) but it does sound like we are talking about different things. Luckily this American "post left" seems to have largely self destructed before it could be mobilized as another incarnation of "let's take the word 'libertarian', no one is using it".