Conversation

Notices

1. Embed this notice
   NEETzsche (neetzsche@iddqd.social)'s status on Friday, 27-Oct-2023 13:47:21 JST NEETzsche
   Is it just me, or has diversity hiring gotten even more overt since the affirmative action rulings about colleges? Like it's gone from HR people putting their thumb on the scale a little bit for "diverse" applicants to just not hiring straight white men at all
   • Embed this notice
     NEETzsche (neetzsche@iddqd.social)'s status on Friday, 27-Oct-2023 14:07:35 JST NEETzsche

     in reply to

     • Zettour
     @Zettour This doesn't really answer the question. You know what I mean. As recently as a year ago I could just go and get a job, but today, no call backs
   • Embed this notice
     Zettour (zettour@gearlandia.haus)'s status on Friday, 27-Oct-2023 14:07:36 JST Zettour

     in reply to
     @NEETzsche It's been more than "a thumb on the scale" for a while now.
   • Embed this notice
     Sir Nedwood - Sydney 🇦🇺 (ned@noagendasocial.com)'s status on Friday, 27-Oct-2023 14:33:02 JST Sir Nedwood - Sydney 🇦🇺

     in reply to

     • Zettour

     @NEETzsche @Zettour Maybe you need to lie on your resume. Claim to be Georgian or Armenian. it's exotic, and kinda counts as the middle east. they are oppressed by the russians. And they are white passing.

     NEETzsche likes this.
   • Embed this notice
     NEETzsche (neetzsche@iddqd.social)'s status on Friday, 27-Oct-2023 14:34:56 JST NEETzsche

     in reply to

     • Zettour
     • Sir Nedwood - Sydney 🇦🇺
     @ned @Zettour I've considered that. But again, it doesn't really answer the question of the OP
   • Embed this notice
     Zettour (zettour@gearlandia.haus)'s status on Friday, 27-Oct-2023 14:48:51 JST Zettour

     in reply to

     • Sir Nedwood - Sydney 🇦🇺
     @NEETzsche @ned My workplace hasn't hired anybody except white men since the ruling (not intentionally), so it's not universal.
   • Embed this notice
     NEETzsche (neetzsche@iddqd.social)'s status on Friday, 27-Oct-2023 14:48:51 JST NEETzsche

     in reply to

     • Zettour
     • Sir Nedwood - Sydney 🇦🇺
     @Zettour @ned What I'm trying to parse is the difference between there being a slowdown in hiring and just a flat refusal to hire straight white men. I realize there's maybe a mix of both going on, but I really do get the impression that HR people are getting even more ideological than they were as recently as last year.
   • Embed this notice
     NEETzsche (neetzsche@iddqd.social)'s status on Friday, 27-Oct-2023 15:43:26 JST NEETzsche

     in reply to

     • FourOh-LLC
     • Zettour
     • Sir Nedwood - Sydney 🇦🇺
     @FourOh-LLC @Zettour @ned I think part of the issue is that these companies want you to be a productive worker but they don't want to pay you for it. They think that they should be able to pay someone $15 an hour because 20 years ago that was good money. I think we've had similar conversations to this effect; anyone aged 20 who comes in acting like they should be buying a house within a year of working someplace without a degree will just get laughed out. Then once the door closes and is locked they'll be like, "kids these days, they don't want to work."
     
     But it's not that kids don't want to work. It's they don't want to work basically for free. They want to be paid enough to buy a good life outcome, and that kind of pay just isn't available to people anymore
   • Embed this notice
     FourOh-LLC (fouroh-llc@pkteerium.xyz)'s status on Friday, 27-Oct-2023 15:43:27 JST FourOh-LLC

     in reply to

     • Zettour
     • Sir Nedwood - Sydney 🇦🇺
     In my manufacturing industry we cannot find enough production people, no matter the color.
     
     There are limits tough, due to OSHA regulations we cannot hire people with 10 inch fingernails, noserings with cowbell, anchor chains welded around neck.
     
     Oh, and no Muslims, not even the "good" kind.
     NEETzsche likes this.
   • Embed this notice
     FourOh-LLC (fouroh-llc@pkteerium.xyz)'s status on Friday, 27-Oct-2023 15:54:54 JST FourOh-LLC

     in reply to

     • Zettour
     • Sir Nedwood - Sydney 🇦🇺
     Things did change, I have been with the same employer (in a half-dozen different position climbing the ladder) and I track the "progress".
     
     I am a technology worker, and what I see is that in that sector self-training is becoming crucial.
     
     Even when you start with a degree that only represent a fraction of the skill set demanded by your employer.
     
     Even when the employer provides "training opportunities" you still need to compliment that with you own path to grow, which is very likely to be different from what you do today.
     
     There are a number of "even when" and you only recognize them when you are already a veteran.
     
     Once you are a veteran in any industry - all industries welcome you with open arms knowing you are capable to master your domain. But, you must prove yourself first.
     NEETzsche likes this.
   • Embed this notice
     NEETzsche (neetzsche@iddqd.social)'s status on Friday, 27-Oct-2023 15:58:50 JST NEETzsche

     in reply to

     • FourOh-LLC
     • Zettour
     • Sir Nedwood - Sydney 🇦🇺
     @FourOh-LLC @Zettour @ned self-training has been crucial for a long time. But that's not really my point. My point is that unlike in the past, youngins don't really have opportunity. It's all smoke and mirrors. It's bullshit. I really do think these kids are getting fucked
   • Embed this notice
     FourOh-LLC (fouroh-llc@pkteerium.xyz)'s status on Friday, 27-Oct-2023 16:19:17 JST FourOh-LLC

     in reply to

     • Zettour
     • Sir Nedwood - Sydney 🇦🇺
     100% in agreement on that, sorry for missing your point.
     
     The Unions, the Corporations, even our own bastard Federal Government made entrepreneurship practically impossible. This COVID nonsense genocides most small business, and there is more to come, it will never stop.
     
     There are opportunities tough, although I only see what's in the manufacturing sector. I just played around with ChatGPT, and I see it can write decent DHTML for simple things like cascading drop-downs, parse JSON, calculate CRC and such. It still truly sucks at OpenSCAD though, but I will keep on eye on it.
     NEETzsche likes this.
   • Embed this notice
     NEETzsche (neetzsche@iddqd.social)'s status on Friday, 27-Oct-2023 16:19:17 JST NEETzsche

     in reply to

     • FourOh-LLC
     • Zettour
     • Sir Nedwood - Sydney 🇦🇺
     @FourOh-LLC @Zettour @ned I think this issue is coming home to roost as we speak. I don't think people are really doing it consciously, but I think that people are becoming unwilling to work for a pittance.
     
     Millennials went through this system that basically told us that we only really get to live in first world conditions after about 15 years of paying dues into whichever industry we go into. But the thing is, even if we paid those dues, there was no guarantee that it would actually realize. In fact, for most of us, it didn't realize. I'm one of a small handful who "made it." Most didn't. And it wasn't fair.
     
     I think zoomers are noticing this and they're going "actually, no. I'm not doing your unpaid internship. Rent is due on the first. There is no future for us, not really, so what you pay us now is just what you pay us."