Jens Finkhäuser
"He said the Linux Foundation’s adoption of Open Tofu raised serious questions. 'What does it say for the future of open source, if foundations will just take it and give it a home. That is tragic for open source innovation. I will tell you, if that were to happen, there'll be no more open source companies in Silicon Valley.' "
Uh, well, you're just making the argument for copyleft right there, dude.
Jens Finkhäuser
@samweingamgee @RyunoKi @hazelnot I'm also thinking that it's more important to speak of FOSS in terms of a commons, a public good.
Licenses matter in how you preserve this, but they're not goals in themselves. The goal has to be to maintain a commons.
Dr. Samuel Wein
@RyunoKi @jens @hazelnot
What I hope is that we can offer more value added (and exert more control) in a post-"move fast and break things" world. So much proprietary software today gets away with its sins because no matter how shitty your code is, new silicon is gonna come along and rescue you. No (or slower) new silicon means good code is more imporant. 2/2
Dr. Samuel Wein
@RyunoKi @jens @hazelnot
The short term goal I think is clear: Work to preserve an identity for Open Source outside of it being useful to corps. Keep fighting the good fight to make clear that we are not subservient. The long term goal is less obvious. I strongly suspect that as Moore's law dies the whole tech space is gonna get shaken up, and I think Open Source being there as an alternative in a world of slower development cycles is key. 1/2
Ryuno-Ki
@jens @samweingamgee @hazelnot Just wanted to make sure that your message isn't misinterpreted.
Okay, looks like we can forge the destiny to a degree then.
Jens Finkhäuser
@RyunoKi @samweingamgee @hazelnot Haha! No... but it's a bit unclear at this point what specifically to do.
Ryuno-Ki
@jens @samweingamgee @hazelnot So… staying passive?
Jens Finkhäuser
@samweingamgee It isn't... but for the time being, a lot of foundations such as Linux foundation are also backed by companies. It can go bad rather quickly.
We'll have to see how this develops, I think.
Dr. Samuel Wein
@jens
I think the fact that we see silicon valley types complaining is a good sign. It indicates that the power relation between tech companies and open source is not entirely one way.
@hazelnot
Jens Finkhäuser
@hazelnot Yeah, well. I can't blame you. But I also think it's not as homogeneous as doomscrolling would lead us to believe. At least I'm holding on to that a little.
hazelnot :yell:
@jens Hopefully, although I'm becoming more and more skeptical of the EU in general lately >.>
Jens Finkhäuser
@hazelnot I mean... setting aside the sarcasm for a moment.
Let's assume this is really where Silicon Valley is headed.
Let's further assume that the EU will continue its drive for digital sovereignty backed by FOSS.
That would mean that the future of "open source" may become a lot less based on US/capitalistic interpretations of freedom.
There is a chance here, actually.
hazelnot :yell:
@jens I sure love when a company can just take my work, give me nothing in return and not even release their own thing that they did with my work publicly 👌
Jens Finkhäuser
@hazelnot Yeah... but permissive licenses are better, right? Right?
<tumbleweeds>
hazelnot :yell:
@jens translation: "but but but my prooooofiiiiits 😭😭😭"
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