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   pat (thatcrazydude@noagendasocial.com)'s status on Monday, 23-Oct-2023 00:31:31 JST pat

   I do admire the government. I mean, say whatever you want, but brainwashing entire nation into believing that not paying the taxes to the government that doesn't do what you pay them to do isn't an option to be considered....

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     Moffin'tosh (moffintosh@berserker.town)'s status on Monday, 23-Oct-2023 00:31:27 JST Moffin'tosh

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     I'm not sure how a mass refusal to pay income tax would catalyze such a thing, though.

     Because the job of the state is to make private property enforcable. There is a reason after all as to why the state as we know it today came to be only after the rise of capitalism and wage labour.

     If anything, the business owners and their employees would be on the same side

     The workers want to be paid the highest amount possible while working the least amount possible, while buisness owners want to pay their employees the least possible while working them as much and as hard as possible. There is already a direct conflict of interest embedded in the employee-employer relationship, regardless of whatever the state may or may not do.
     And conflict is made inevitable by the falling rate of profit, which arises due to competition and the constant push all businesses have to grow.

     And that's without going over the fact that an employer must pay an employee less than what they produce, else they would have no profit

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     pat (thatcrazydude@noagendasocial.com)'s status on Monday, 23-Oct-2023 00:31:28 JST pat

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     @moffintosh @Vox I still don't quite get it. I mean, I was an employer for a while. And it was in the Philippines where it's pretty much the law of the jungle and it's not like you can count on the cops to save you. I'm kinda still alive....

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     Vox (vox@noagendasocial.com)'s status on Monday, 23-Oct-2023 00:31:28 JST Vox

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     I think what you're saying is that the so-called "class wars" would escalate as the wealth gap, and the resulting resentment, increases. I'm not sure how a mass refusal to pay income tax would catalyze such a thing, though. If anything, the business owners and their employees would be on the same side, and the common enemy would be the IRS and government figures who are paid on the taxpayer's dime. Exceptions maybe for business owners/CEOs with government contracts.

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     Moffin'tosh (moffintosh@berserker.town)'s status on Monday, 23-Oct-2023 00:31:29 JST Moffin'tosh

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     @ThatCrazyDude @Vox For the same reason strikes are a thing

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     pat (thatcrazydude@noagendasocial.com)'s status on Monday, 23-Oct-2023 00:31:30 JST pat

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     @moffintosh @Vox why would there be lynching of business owners though?

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     Vox (vox@noagendasocial.com)'s status on Monday, 23-Oct-2023 00:31:31 JST Vox

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     @ThatCrazyDude It's less brainwashing than straight up threat of property seizure at gunpoint, imprisonment, or even death (they didn't buy all those fancy firearms for no reason) for non-compliance. I often wonder what would happen if the entire country at once refused to pay. Would taxation become unenforceable? And how could you evade the withholding being stolen straight out of your check if you are an employee?

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     Moffin'tosh (moffintosh@berserker.town)'s status on Monday, 23-Oct-2023 00:31:31 JST Moffin'tosh

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     I often wonder what would happen if the entire country at once refused to pay.

     Collapse of the police system, then lynching of most business owners after the first economic crisis and mass firings, followed by lolberts crying for the state to save them because animals or something

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     LukeAlmighty 🇨🇿 (lukealmighty@gameliberty.club)'s status on Monday, 23-Oct-2023 00:35:47 JST LukeAlmighty 🇨🇿

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     @moffintosh @Vox @ThatCrazyDude
     That kind of a scenario is pointless.
     If it would include cops and army refusing to enforce, then the inevitable death of politicians would cause much more.

     If it didn't include the breakdown of enforcement, then people would start paying after a few examples being set.

     And if politicians were still protected, and cops refused to enforce only taxes, then politicians would cover everything in inflation alone.

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     pat (thatcrazydude@noagendasocial.com)'s status on Monday, 23-Oct-2023 00:59:55 JST pat

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     @LukeAlmighty @moffintosh @Vox I don't think that in this purely hypothetical scenario the law enforcement or even the state military would do a jack squat even if the top brass wanted to. I mean, think about it. How many soldiers and cops do you have very 1,000 if general population.The traditional military doctrine is that you need at the very least 25 combat personnel per 1000 occupied population to just survive.And that's not counting all the logistics personnel and shit,which is x4 minimum

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     @LukeAlmighty @moffintosh @Vox and on top of that, if you're trying to effectively occupy your own country that's rebelling, you gotta take into account that probably not everyone in your fighting force will be cool shooting his relative, friend or a neighbor.

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     LukeAlmighty 🇨🇿 (lukealmighty@gameliberty.club)'s status on Monday, 23-Oct-2023 00:59:55 JST LukeAlmighty 🇨🇿

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     @ThatCrazyDude @moffintosh @Vox
     So, you are no longer talking about taxes.

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     pat (thatcrazydude@noagendasocial.com)'s status on Monday, 23-Oct-2023 01:08:56 JST pat

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     @LukeAlmighty @moffintosh @Vox well, no. The discussion sort of drifted sideways 🤣

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     @ThatCrazyDude @moffintosh @Vox
     No, your initial premise includes open armed revolution.
     Your initial premise is not about taxes.

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     LukeAlmighty 🇨🇿 (lukealmighty@gameliberty.club)'s status on Monday, 23-Oct-2023 01:09:35 JST LukeAlmighty 🇨🇿

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     @ThatCrazyDude @moffintosh @Vox
     > noagendasocial
     Oh, I get it now.

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     pat (thatcrazydude@noagendasocial.com)'s status on Monday, 23-Oct-2023 01:09:36 JST pat

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     @LukeAlmighty @moffintosh @Vox you might want to go to the top of the thread.

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     LukeAlmighty 🇨🇿 (lukealmighty@gameliberty.club)'s status on Monday, 23-Oct-2023 01:14:40 JST LukeAlmighty 🇨🇿

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     @ThatCrazyDude @moffintosh @Vox
     > no single cop nor a military commander with like 5 working neurons would even consider the possibility they can win.

     Win what? A lottery? A war? A tic tac toe?

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     @LukeAlmighty @moffintosh @Vox I'm fairly confident you don't get it. But that's fine. I don't have high expectations. I'll just spell it out for you, since you clearly need it: if the nation were to collectively say no to taxes, because they're not getting what they're paying for or whatever, there would be no armed conflict, because no single cop nor a military commander with like 5 working neurons would even consider the possibility they can win.

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     LukeAlmighty 🇨🇿 (lukealmighty@gameliberty.club)'s status on Monday, 23-Oct-2023 01:20:55 JST LukeAlmighty 🇨🇿

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     @ThatCrazyDude @moffintosh @Vox
     Good. Because for a moment, I thought, that your absolutely brilliant moment of clear thought was:

     If everyone including cops and soldiers were ready to kill politicians on spot.... Politicians would die :blobmindblown:

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     @LukeAlmighty @moffintosh @Vox yeah, tic tac toe. You might want to stick with that one. One day you might even win

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     @LukeAlmighty @moffintosh @Vox you might want to work on your reeding skills too, methinks.

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     LukeAlmighty 🇨🇿 (lukealmighty@gameliberty.club)'s status on Monday, 23-Oct-2023 01:27:01 JST LukeAlmighty 🇨🇿

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     @ThatCrazyDude @moffintosh @Vox
     Oh, you're right.
     I was the one who added the ending to your amazingly complex scenario.

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     LukeAlmighty 🇨🇿 (lukealmighty@gameliberty.club)'s status on Monday, 23-Oct-2023 01:28:19 JST LukeAlmighty 🇨🇿

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     @ThatCrazyDude @moffintosh @Vox
     Good luck with all the hard thinking then.
     I hope that one day, you will also be able to apply basic logic to all or nothing hypotheticals.

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     @ThatCrazyDude @LukeAlmighty @Vox

     if the nation were to collectively say no to taxes

     Then I'm told commies are utopian, but go on

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     pat (thatcrazydude@noagendasocial.com)'s status on Monday, 23-Oct-2023 01:54:33 JST pat

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     @moffintosh @LukeAlmighty @Vox holy shit! You can copy and paste! I clearly underestimated you. My apologies

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     LukeAlmighty 🇨🇿 (lukealmighty@gameliberty.club)'s status on Monday, 23-Oct-2023 01:54:33 JST LukeAlmighty 🇨🇿

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     @ThatCrazyDude @moffintosh @Vox
     Can you?

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     Moffin'tosh (moffintosh@berserker.town)'s status on Monday, 23-Oct-2023 01:54:35 JST Moffin'tosh

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     @ThatCrazyDude @LukeAlmighty @Vox

     If this is not what you really expect, spell it out, precisely.

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     pat (thatcrazydude@noagendasocial.com)'s status on Monday, 23-Oct-2023 01:54:36 JST pat

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     @moffintosh @LukeAlmighty @Vox seriously, lad, how old are you? I mean, how dumb do you need to be to read this thread and even consider that I think something like this can happen?
     Let me do some spelling out. Again. There's not enough retards in the military and the law enforcement for that to be a viable option. You can join to improve the odds though.

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     pat (thatcrazydude@noagendasocial.com)'s status on Monday, 23-Oct-2023 01:54:37 JST pat

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     @moffintosh @LukeAlmighty @Vox and you can only process 10 words at a time? Putting it in the context in the entire conversation is really that big of an ask? C'mon, lad. My wife's parrots can do better than that

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     I don't think that in this purely hypothetical scenario the law enforcement or even the state military would do a jack squat even if the top brass wanted to.

     If this hypotetical is anywhere near what you expect, then I've seen anarcokiddies with more realistic plans. If this is not what you really expect, spell it out, precisely.

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     pat (thatcrazydude@noagendasocial.com)'s status on Monday, 23-Oct-2023 02:04:02 JST pat

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     @LukeAlmighty @moffintosh @Vox no. That's totally beyond me. You see, way back when I was getting my engineering degree in teleinformatics logic wasn't invented yet, let alone copying and pasting. Arithmetics was in it's early stages too. We only counted up to 4.

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     LukeAlmighty 🇨🇿 (lukealmighty@gameliberty.club)'s status on Monday, 23-Oct-2023 02:04:02 JST LukeAlmighty 🇨🇿

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     @ThatCrazyDude @moffintosh @Vox
     Well, then your degree makes total sense.

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     @ThatCrazyDude @LukeAlmighty @Vox When you stop running away, you know my handle

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     @moffintosh @LukeAlmighty @Vox yeah. Also, move like water. Can be sewer water, I suppose, so you're not left out.

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     @ThatCrazyDude @moffintosh @Vox
     Btw, do you support seniors being payed a pension?

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     @LukeAlmighty @moffintosh @Vox absolutely. To a certain point though. If they did have the option to invest in retirement fund and they chose not to, then no. But those who didn't have that option, hell yeah. They worked for it

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     @ThatCrazyDude @moffintosh @Vox
     So, people unable to work would be fucked?

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     @LukeAlmighty @moffintosh @Vox people who had the possibility to invest in their future but chose not to would be fucked. Being adult is all about taking responsibility. Or am I wrong?

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     @ThatCrazyDude @moffintosh @Vox
     I am asking about people who never had an option to work

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     @ThatCrazyDude @moffintosh @Vox
     A guy, who studied for manual labor loses sight at the age of 25.

     Do you let that guy starve? He didn't save up.

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     @ThatCrazyDude @moffintosh @Vox
     But what if everyone decided to not pay taxes?

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     @LukeAlmighty @moffintosh @Vox the way i see it, if they had no option to work, the society should support them. That being said though, I have yet to meet a person that had no option to work. And I grew up in Poland in the early 80's, which wasn't exactly economic bonanza, so there's that

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     @ThatCrazyDude @moffintosh @Vox
     In other words, if everyone refused to pay taxes, everyone would agree to pay taxes 2 weeks later. :ayaya:

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     @LukeAlmighty @moffintosh @Vox then in a week tops you'd have negotiations and a week later you'd have an agreement hammered down, because them ducks up top do want their cash

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     @ThatCrazyDude @moffintosh @Vox
     Yes.
     It is a gambling scheme. You bet money on something bad happening to you. If something happens, and you didn't bet on that month, you're fucked.

     And, if you make this bet mandatory, it's called... a tax.

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     @LukeAlmighty @moffintosh @Vox you know what insurance is, I presume....

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     @LukeAlmighty @moffintosh @Vox not in Europe it isn't. If you're employed, youur employer pays your insurance on top of the taxes and employment costs. Healthcare and retirement isn't covered by state taxes. Not anymore, that is.

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     @ThatCrazyDude @moffintosh @Vox
     So, you would be ok with no person paying taxes, as long as every corporation pays government 40 percent of everyones income?

     Man... Did you know your parents didn't actually disappear when the hands moved in front of their face?

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     @LukeAlmighty @moffintosh @Vox I never said that, and frankly I don't know where did you even get the idea. All I'm saying is that if you're being taxed, you're essentially paying for a service, and if the service isn't being rendered, which sadly it rarely is, you should at the very least be questioning the wisdom of continuing your payments.

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     @ThatCrazyDude @moffintosh @Vox
     If your original post was:
     What if everyone questioned the morality of taxes, while most people continued to pay anyway, then this would be a different discussion though.