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   LisPi (lispi314@mastodon.top)'s status on Sunday, 15-Oct-2023 11:40:15 JST LisPi

   • georgia

   @georgia If they cannot enclose it, it isn't a transfer of value *to the capitalist class*.

   As it so happens, it has been a transfer of value *to everyone*. It just so happens that capitalists still exist and haven't yet all walked into the sea, so they're also part of "everyone".

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     LisPi (lispi314@mastodon.top)'s status on Monday, 16-Oct-2023 02:29:27 JST LisPi

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     @hyphen @ghast @georgia The difference though is that with #FreeSoftware, particularly when there is refusal to be influenced (helped by the Ulysses' pact embodied by adequate licenses, @pluralistic mentions those a few times, if you want some fun reading) you can just sidestep the corposcum and just benefit all the same.

     Nestle water exploitation, for one infamous example, is usually present as a #monopoly backed by state violence. A rather different scenario.

     #pluralistic

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     @lispi314 it's a feedback loop though; corpos can and do influence the development of free software sometimes in ways that are not collectively beneficial or are even collectively harmful.
     this is like saying everyone* has access to fresh water, which means some corporate vultures abuse the availability of the resource by bottling it and selling it back to people, but it's ok because surely that won't harm the rest of us since they cannot possibly enclose all the freshwater no matter how hard they try!
     
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     LisPi (lispi314@mastodon.top)'s status on Monday, 16-Oct-2023 02:29:41 JST LisPi

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     @hyphen @ghast @georgia @pluralistic You cannot enclose #FreeSoftware, by design the licenses forbid it.

     #OpenSource misses the point specifically because it was *made* to be succeptible to corruption by corporate interests.

     (And also it ignores all the ethical and freedom stuff, but that amounts to much the same.)

     Permissive licenses are accordingly even worse.

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