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   BILLSan345 (billsan345@spinster.xyz)'s status on Tuesday, 10-Oct-2023 23:18:08 JST BILLSan345

   • HebrideanHecate
   @HebrideanHecate Had to look up 'carceral'. Sounds heavy and important but suspect it is just used because that's what it sounds like.
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     HebrideanHecate (hebrideanhecate@spinster.xyz)'s status on Tuesday, 10-Oct-2023 23:18:07 JST HebrideanHecate

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     @BILLSan345 https://www.feministcurrent.com/2018/05/26/leftists-need-stop-shaming-women-engaging-criminal-justice-system-situations-abuse/

     The fact that it is the male-centered left who are most-often leading calls for “restorative justice” processes or to abolish the police is a useful clue. The feminist movement, after separating itself from the left, as their issues were being ignored and they were subjected to ongoing misogyny from the men in these movements, fought to criminalize things like domestic abuse and marital rape, and, as a result, has been tarred as “carceral.” It’s a double-bind women can’t escape — either we are cop-lovers and traitors to the left, or we must remain silent, with no recourse when faced with men’s violence and abuse.

     Criticizing leftist alternatives to dealing with crimes against women is often met with perturbed resistance and accusations of “carceral feminism” from men who’ve invested their politics in the idea that they are the “good guys.” But because abuse happens in supposedly progressive communities as often as it does anywhere, and leftist men continue to protect one another from accountability, these criticisms strike me as a particularly sexist form of bullying.

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     @BILLSan345 https://www.feministcurrent.com/2015/10/05/a-thank-you-note-to-carceralsex-negative-feminists/

     “Carceral feminism” is used to define any feminist who believes the criminal justice system should protect and serve women who are victims of rape and other forms of male violence (although many of us, myself included, are opposed to incarceration for non-violent offenders). Those who present themselves as anti-“carceral feminism” believe, one supposes, that victims of gender violence should avoid the criminal justice system, and that rapists and batterers should not be criminally prosecuted.

     These individuals stand in opposition to “carceral feminists” such as U.S. Representative Gwen Moore, who bravely stood before her colleagues in Congress and told her devastating story of living through child molestation, rape, and battering. She revealed these horrors, publicly, in order to support the passage of the “carceral” Violence Against Women Act. The bill was opposed not only by anti-carceral feminists, but by conservative groups such as the Family Research Council, the Eagle Forum, the US Council of Bishops, and Concerned Women For America — all of whom claimed that VAWA was a feminist attack on family values.

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     BILLSan345 (billsan345@spinster.xyz)'s status on Tuesday, 10-Oct-2023 23:38:16 JST BILLSan345

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     • HebrideanHecate
     @HebrideanHecate Thanks for posting this. I get more educated every day, and this sombre read is part of today's lesson. I can now see why the word 'carceral' used by misogynists is for crude abuse purposes.
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     BILLSan345 (billsan345@spinster.xyz)'s status on Tuesday, 10-Oct-2023 23:38:19 JST BILLSan345

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     • HebrideanHecate
     @HebrideanHecate -and thanks also for the Meghan Murphy article about the 'restorative justice' alternative to the use of properly constituted rules and punishments to protect women: another let-out for abusive men.
     
     "Law is intended to be a reflection of society, therefore, advocating for feminist legislation is very much connected to our efforts to effect social change." Precisely.
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     HebrideanHecate (hebrideanhecate@spinster.xyz)'s status on Tuesday, 10-Oct-2023 23:38:20 JST HebrideanHecate

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     @BILLSan345 Certainly is.