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ᒪᐸᒋᓐ(:raccoon_x3:)PUNK (itzpaquet@novo-atlantis.null.media)'s status on Monday, 09-Oct-2023 09:54:38 JST ᒪᐸᒋᓐ(:raccoon_x3:)PUNK

ukraine is using cardboard rc planes with bombs inside to take out parked russian fighter jets. they’re supplied by some australian company and cost only like 5k AUS. the western military industrial complex is completely taken aback that a useful weapon can be that cheap. amazing ukranian ingenuity! they say

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  Sexy Moon (moon@shitposter.club)'s status on Monday, 09-Oct-2023 09:54:38 JST Sexy Moon
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  @itzpaquet the military industrial complex in the USA is a jobs program and a prop for the economy, doesn't matter if the shit don't work.
  
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  Sexy Moon (moon@shitposter.club)'s status on Monday, 09-Oct-2023 10:01:04 JST Sexy Moon
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  @itzpaquet In 2002 the US military did a simulation exercise. One of their generals on the red team defeated the American army using motorcycles and shutter-light messaging, so they stopped the simulation, changed the rules on him and kept restarting it until the USA won.
  
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    Millennium Challenge 2002 (MC02) was a major war game exercise conducted by the United States Armed Forces in mid-2002. The exercise, which ran from 24 July to 15 August and cost US$250 million (equivalent to about $407M in 2022), involved both live exercises and computer simulations. MC02 was meant to be a test of future military "transformation"—a transition toward new technologies that enable network-centric warfare and provide more effective command and control of current and future weaponry and tactics. The simulated combatants were the United States, referred to as "Blue", and a fictitious state in the Persian Gulf, "Red", often characterized as Iran or Iraq. Constraints Since the wargame allowed for a ship-to-shore landing of ground troops at some (unknown) point during the 14 day exercise, and because their naval force was substantial, the Blue force was positioned on the shore-side of the region's active shipping lanes to keep them from impacting commerce during the exercise. This placed them near the Red shore rather than at a "standoff" distance. Conducting the wargames during peacetime also meant...
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  ᒪᐸᒋᓐ(:raccoon_x3:)PUNK (itzpaquet@novo-atlantis.null.media)'s status on Monday, 09-Oct-2023 10:01:05 JST ᒪᐸᒋᓐ(:raccoon_x3:)PUNK
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  @Moon the reporting on it is pretty hilarious though. and the comments are like "well we don't have to do things like this because we have money so we should use it" there's a huge blind spot here and i love it.
  
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  Sexy Moon (moon@shitposter.club)'s status on Monday, 09-Oct-2023 10:05:41 JST Sexy Moon
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  @Ricotta @itzpaquet there's a ton of research in drone warfare but it doesn't seem to be deployed, I was seeing state of the art stuff being done in 2010 during my short, shameful stint in the defense industry.
  
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  Ricotta :windmilloffriendship: (ricotta@yggdrasil.social)'s status on Monday, 09-Oct-2023 10:05:42 JST Ricotta :windmilloffriendship:
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  @Moon @itzpaquet That's why I advocate for dragoons on light dual sport motorcycles for use by militias.
  
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  on-lain ✔ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ (lain@lain.com)'s status on Monday, 09-Oct-2023 10:08:57 JST on-lain ✔ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ
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  @Moon @itzpaquet @Ricotta aren't Ukraine and hamas doing mostly drone stuff? And when's been the last time that a state actually win against guerilla tactics?
  
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  Sexy Moon (moon@shitposter.club)'s status on Monday, 09-Oct-2023 10:16:24 JST Sexy Moon
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  @Paultron @itzpaquet I wonder if they ever stop simulations when there are errors in their favor.
  
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  @Moon @itzpaquet tbh they had good reason to call bullshit
  his motorcycle couriers were driving at the speed of light to inform missile fire control systems
  missiles that outweighed in gross tonnage the small motor vessels they were platformed on
  
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  Sexy Moon (moon@shitposter.club)'s status on Monday, 09-Oct-2023 10:27:14 JST Sexy Moon
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  @mrsaturday @itzpaquet you know who didn't lose that war: the people selling us the equipment.
  
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  ☻ (mrsaturday@shitposter.club)'s status on Monday, 09-Oct-2023 10:27:15 JST ☻
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  @itzpaquet @Moon >the comments are like "well we don't have to do things like this because we have money so we should use it"
  That sounds like a country that learned nothing after losing a 20-year, multi-trillion dollar guerrilla war to a bunch of shepherds
  
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  @Ricotta @itzpaquet @Moon large regular armies already couldn't win in Vietnam or in Afghanistan (and later, Afghanistan again). There's not one war the US has won since ww2.
  
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  Ricotta :windmilloffriendship: (ricotta@yggdrasil.social)'s status on Monday, 09-Oct-2023 10:28:24 JST Ricotta :windmilloffriendship:
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  @lain @itzpaquet @Moon It's not that they're mostly doing drone stuff, but they are using a lot of quadcopters and other small drones, and they're an absolute gamechanger.
  
  This is an area where large regular armies can't really compete, because they're held back by red tape, contracts, procurement, and all that usual bureaucratic nonsense, while smaller, more irregular forces can pretty much do whatever they want with whatever they can get.
  
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  Sexy Moon (moon@shitposter.club)'s status on Monday, 09-Oct-2023 10:35:29 JST Sexy Moon
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  @mrsaturday @itzpaquet we have been baiting and planning for war with russia for years. by we I mean neocons and their think tanks.
  
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  ☻ (mrsaturday@shitposter.club)'s status on Monday, 09-Oct-2023 10:35:30 JST ☻
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  @Moon @itzpaquet The conspiracy-minded part of me thinks that war ending is a big reason why the US provoked Russia as much as they did in 2021-22, to put that gravy train back on the rails without any of that messy and unpopular military occupation business.
  
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  Sexy Moon (moon@shitposter.club)'s status on Monday, 09-Oct-2023 10:38:13 JST Sexy Moon
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  @awl @itzpaquet @mrsaturday it is an objective fact that we broke multiple promises with russia to not expand nato. not defending russia but this country is an active antagonist in the conflict.
  
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  awlxaĺan pahelereyneḉ (awl@shitposter.club)'s status on Monday, 09-Oct-2023 10:38:14 JST awlxaĺan pahelereyneḉ
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  @Moon @mrsaturday @itzpaquet decades.
  
  To be fair Russia still trains for the event of a US/NATO invasion
  
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  ☻ (mrsaturday@shitposter.club)'s status on Monday, 09-Oct-2023 10:41:32 JST ☻
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  @Moon @itzpaquet Yeah, but they turned the "Ukraine to NATO" rhetoric up to 11 after the Afghan War exit, knowing full well how Russia would react.
  
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  Sexy Moon (moon@shitposter.club)'s status on Monday, 09-Oct-2023 10:43:01 JST Sexy Moon
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  @mrsaturday @itzpaquet john mearsheimer, the guy who wrote The Israel Lobby, has years of videos on YouTube about us antagonizing Russia, I don't remember if they're before 2014 though but at some point I found them and watched a bunch of them.
  
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  Sexy Moon (moon@shitposter.club)'s status on Monday, 09-Oct-2023 10:47:29 JST Sexy Moon
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  @mrsaturday @awl what if, hypothetically, russia was serious that they only want the ethnic russian portions.
  
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  @Moon @itzpaquet @mrsaturday which is the biggest reason I want the west to lose this one.
  
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  @awl @Moon @itzpaquet I don't because Ukrainians deserve their own country and to be their own people. I feel that way about any ethnicity, though. Fighting Western soft imperialism with hard imperialism and an inevitable ethnic oppression afterwards isn't anything I can support. They shouldn't have been dragged into this.
  
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  leespringfield1903 (leespringfield1903@poa.st)'s status on Monday, 09-Oct-2023 10:50:13 JST leespringfield1903
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  @lain @Moon @itzpaquet @Ricotta The Malayan Emergency.
  
  Or the current war in the Donbass where guerillas under the DPR and LPR are helping the Z and Wagnar and the Chechens root out the hohol spies.
  
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  ☻ (mrsaturday@shitposter.club)'s status on Monday, 09-Oct-2023 11:00:41 JST ☻
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  @Moon @awl It'd bring its own mess with it but that should be something Ukraine should agree to. However, Russians seem to think that Ukrainians aren't a separate identity, just uppity speakers of a Russian dialect in denial. Even if Russia only took Donetsk, Luhansk, and made them renounce any claims on Crimea, you'd have a lot of each ethnicity left behind on each side and you'd need a population exchange, and those rarely go well.
  
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  l (lebronjames75@shitposter.club)'s status on Monday, 09-Oct-2023 18:53:17 JST l
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  Russia wanted to join nato
  Russia liked the expansion of NATO
  It's literally post sex revoked consent, and there is a massive amount of recorded evidence for both my statements
  
  Gorbachev, the man who signed the supposed "no expansion" agreements, has stated twice "what's the deal guys are you insane, we never made a no NATO expansion promise"
  
  Russia signed multiple documents of cooperation with nato that included written statements of NATO expansion and Russia agreed with them, all the way up to at least 2009, maybe more but i do not know
  
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  Sexy Moon (moon@shitposter.club)'s status on Monday, 09-Oct-2023 18:53:17 JST Sexy Moon
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  @lebronjames75 @awl @itzpaquet @mrsaturday there's multiple written and audio documentation of the promises but if later cooperation included expansion then I admit fault.
  
  https://nsarchive.gwu.edu/briefing-book/russia-programs/2017-12-12/nato-expansion-what-gorbachev-heard-western-leaders-early
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    Western leaders gave multiple assurances against NATO expansion to Gorbachev in 1990-1991 according to declassified American, Russian, British, Germans documents

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