Conversation

Notices

1. Embed this notice
   Lars Wirzenius (liw@toot.liw.fi)'s status on Monday, 09-Oct-2023 07:06:01 JST Lars Wirzenius

   I blogged about why #Debian is the way it is.

   https://blog.liw.fi/posts/2023/debian-reasons/

   • GNU Too repeated this.
   • Embed this notice
     Alfred M. Szmidt (amszmidt@mastodon.social)'s status on Monday, 09-Oct-2023 07:05:59 JST Alfred M. Szmidt

     in reply to

     @liw "that consists only of free and open source software" -- a goal that Debian got rid of. 😠

   • Embed this notice
     Alexandre Oliva (lxo@gnusocial.net)'s status on Monday, 09-Oct-2023 07:05:59 JST Alexandre Oliva

     in reply to

     • Alfred M. Szmidt
     it's not fair to say that they abandoned the goal
     it's more like, back in the day, they started rowing in a certain direction in pursuit of that goal. turned out that rowing upstream is pretty hard, so they decided to try rowing downstream instead. they can still see the goal, it's getting farther and farther, but they can legitimately say they haven't given up the goal if they honestly believe that rowing further and further downstream will somehow take them there. I can't say that I follow their reasoning, and ISTM that they're fooling themselves and others in the process, but I can believe they (or at least some of them) still think they're pursuing that stated goal somehow. perhaps an outvoted idealistic minority surrounded by double-thinkers and misguided strategists... :-(
     翠星石 likes this.
   • Embed this notice
     Alfred M. Szmidt (amszmidt@mastodon.social)'s status on Monday, 09-Oct-2023 14:50:05 JST Alfred M. Szmidt

     in reply to

     • Alexandre Oliva

     @lxo Sounds exactly to me like they abandoned the goal.🤔

   • Embed this notice
     Alexandre Oliva (lxo@gnusocial.net)'s status on Monday, 09-Oct-2023 14:50:05 JST Alexandre Oliva

     in reply to

     • Alfred M. Szmidt
     ... and haven't realized it yet? yeah, looks like it :-(
   • Embed this notice
     Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell: (lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me)'s status on Thursday, 12-Oct-2023 06:24:31 JST Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell:

     in reply to
     @liw "Self-contained" and "No bundled libraries" ought to be all distros, along with bootstrapping from source whenever possible (full-source being a ton of work).