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   novatorine 🏴🏳️‍⚧️ (anarchopunk_girl@kolektiva.social)'s status on Saturday, 07-Oct-2023 00:08:53 JST novatorine 🏴🏳️‍⚧️

   • StillIRise1963
   • ren 🏳️‍🌈 (a they/them)

   @renwillis @StillIRise1963 this is a really fucked up way to look at things, especially since you could use this logic to control *everything* anyone does.

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     novatorine 🏴🏳️‍⚧️ (anarchopunk_girl@kolektiva.social)'s status on Saturday, 07-Oct-2023 00:26:10 JST novatorine 🏴🏳️‍⚧️

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     • StillIRise1963
     • ren 🏳️‍🌈 (a they/them)

     @renwillis @StillIRise1963 it's not a slippery slope argument if you are just taking someone's actual logic and working out the full implications of it. Something is only a slippery slope argument if you can't demonstrate a mechanism for movement down the slope. Maybe before swing around logical fallacies you should actually learn what they mean.

     Speaking of which, if you want to argue that way, you're shifting the goalposts. Your initial argument was a justification for controlling the behavior of people by not letting them make poor health decisions if they want to because you somehow think that will be "contagious" to the people around them, and because it will put strain on society to support them and so society gets to determine what they should be able to do, and you concluded by saying that everyone is connected and therefore we should be able to control even the personal bodily autonomy of individuals with regards to their health care. Now you're changing the argument to just be about one about education. I'm sorry but I don't buy that. Trying to use the vague interconnectedness of people and some notion of social contagion to control people's personal health decisions is actually a very fucked up point of view, and one you hear a lot of conservatives touting when they talk about abortion or trans health care. And the logic of the idea that if someone messes up society has to support them, so society should be able to control what they do is absolutely applicable in a broader way as well.

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     ren 🏳️‍🌈 (a they/them) (renwillis@mstdn.social)'s status on Saturday, 07-Oct-2023 00:26:40 JST ren 🏳️‍🌈 (a they/them)

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     @anarchopunk_girl @StillIRise1963 ah! ye olde slippery slope argument!

     Yes! If we have and encourage proactive healthcare and health education, before you know it, they are strapping us down & injecting brainwash microbes in our brains!

     Easy tiger. No one is forcing anyone to take care of themselves. But giving up on education and social services (which the US has already mostly done) is the fastest way to a broken society controlled by a powerful few.

     novatorine 🏴🏳️‍⚧️ repeated this.
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     novatorine 🏴🏳️‍⚧️ (anarchopunk_girl@kolektiva.social)'s status on Saturday, 07-Oct-2023 01:32:18 JST novatorine 🏴🏳️‍⚧️

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     • ren 🏳️‍🌈 (a they/them)

     @renwillis @StillIRise1963 I don't necessarily disagree with your goals but I think the rhetoric and logic you use to get to them is often just as important. I'm not trying to start a fight but I felt like it was important to push back on that rhetoric a bit

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     ren 🏳️‍🌈 (a they/them) (renwillis@mstdn.social)'s status on Saturday, 07-Oct-2023 01:32:19 JST ren 🏳️‍🌈 (a they/them)

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     • StillIRise1963

     @anarchopunk_girl @StillIRise1963 friend, I have no idea what your blog post is going on about.

     Low quality healthcare is a burden on the ENTIRE healthcare system. If one chooses to be reckless with their health, it affects everyone in their lives AND the healthcare system as a whole.

     IMO the solution is not forcing healthcare, but supporting proactive healthcare and education, combined with social services for those who need it.

     Education + Access + Service = Healthier Society