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   Djoerd Hiemstra 🟥 (djoerd@idf.social)'s status on Thursday, 05-Oct-2023 16:49:29 JST Djoerd Hiemstra 🟥

   • Open Search Foundation

   Random thought: We need an "Open Advertisement Foundation" next to the Open Search Foundation @osf ... #ossym2023

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     Aral Balkan (aral@mastodon.ar.al)'s status on Thursday, 05-Oct-2023 16:49:27 JST Aral Balkan

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     @djoerd @osf Do we really, though?

     What next, Open Tobacco Foundation? Open Petroleum Foundation? Does every bad thing become a good thing if we prefix it with “open?”

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     Aral Balkan (aral@mastodon.ar.al)'s status on Thursday, 05-Oct-2023 17:11:51 JST Aral Balkan

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     @djoerd @osf For the latter, regulation. For that, in turn, tackling the problem of institutional corruption – lobbying and revolving doors – that make such regulation difficult to draft and execute.

     Ideally, we’d be funding alternatives that don’t rely on advertising from the commons, for the common good. (I’m not holding my breath.)

     Until then, some of us are scraping together such alternatives with little budget/support… maybe some of those will make a difference 🤷♂️

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     Djoerd Hiemstra 🟥 (djoerd@idf.social)'s status on Thursday, 05-Oct-2023 17:11:52 JST Djoerd Hiemstra 🟥

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     • Aral Balkan
     • Open Search Foundation

     @aral @osf
     Touché ... I really don't want those foundations, no... but I do want to break up companies that control search and advertisements, though. What would you propose?

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     Aral Balkan (aral@mastodon.ar.al)'s status on Thursday, 05-Oct-2023 17:17:56 JST Aral Balkan

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     • Open Search Foundation

     @mwt @djoerd @osf True. And yet I find the almost complete lack of imagination when it comes to alternatives that don’t bind the information and tools we need for a functional democracy to the profit motives of corporations to be rather stunting for the potential of our species.

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     Matthew W. Thomas (mwt@sciences.social)'s status on Thursday, 05-Oct-2023 17:17:57 JST Matthew W. Thomas

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     @aral @djoerd @osf Ads don't need to be bad though. Small, unobtrusive and privacy respecting ads like the ones on readthedocs can be a good way to fund infrastructure without paywalling everything

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     Alexandre Oliva (lxo@gnusocial.net)'s status on Friday, 06-Oct-2023 02:57:33 JST Alexandre Oliva

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     • Aral Balkan
     > Does every bad thing become a good thing if we prefix it with “open?”
     
     that didn't work for open source software. it was kind of the opposite, really.