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   pettter (pettter@mastodon.acc.umu.se)'s status on Wednesday, 04-Oct-2023 18:09:23 JST pettter

   @babe There was the opportunity for at least a potential off-ramp from the road to fascism just a couple of years ago and the media and political establishment said "absolutely not" and ruthlessly kept the UK on its current course.

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     pettter (pettter@mastodon.acc.umu.se)'s status on Wednesday, 04-Oct-2023 18:56:56 JST pettter

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     @rrwo Neither you nor anyone else is immune to propaganda. @babe

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     Robert Rothenberg (rrwo@floss.social)'s status on Wednesday, 04-Oct-2023 18:56:57 JST Robert Rothenberg

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     You can't the media for all of this.

     And you can't blame Facebook or Twitter for the rest of it.

     Most of the responsibility falls on voters who voted for the Tories and voted for Brexit.

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     pettter (pettter@mastodon.acc.umu.se)'s status on Wednesday, 04-Oct-2023 21:33:41 JST pettter

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     @rrwo As evidenced by 2015-2019, organizing the largest grassroots electoral campaigns in decades to take over the levers of power will not fix it either. Because the media and political establishment will literally rather burn the whole country down than to allow the smallest course correction leftwards.

     Oh and they will absolutely stomp all over you if you try as well and paint you in the most libelous and insulting colors while doing it as well, using all sorts of dirty trick.
     @seb321 @babe

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     Seb (seb321@toot.community)'s status on Wednesday, 04-Oct-2023 21:33:43 JST Seb

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     @babe @rrwo @pettter You absolutely can blame the media. They frame the narrative, imply false equivalence, ignore or trash the reputations of those who challenge the direction of travel, create the Overton Window, and constantly drip feed fear and hate into the eyes and ears of the population.

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     Robert Rothenberg (rrwo@floss.social)'s status on Wednesday, 04-Oct-2023 21:33:43 JST Robert Rothenberg

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     @seb321 @babe @pettter

     And yet not everyone buys into the hate and fear.

     Most people don't, despite being exposed to so much of it.

     Notice that Scotland, Wales and various English cities aren't run by fascists, despite the media.

     It's the broken electoral system in the UK, combined with the fact that just enough people voted for this, or didn't vote at all.

     Blaming the media will not fix this mess.

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     pettter (pettter@mastodon.acc.umu.se)'s status on Wednesday, 04-Oct-2023 23:04:59 JST pettter

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     • Robert Rothenberg

     @seb321 Not only that, but since Corbyn was then advocating for doing a soft Brexit, accepting the results of the referendum but not doing it in a stupid way, it followed that _nothing short of the hardest of hard Brexits_ was acceptable.
     @babe @rrwo

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     Seb (seb321@toot.community)'s status on Wednesday, 04-Oct-2023 23:05:00 JST Seb

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     @pettter @babe @rrwo Yes, it’s not about convincing everybody. They only need to make sure the options in front of voters are ones they are happy with. And yes, we have a corrupt voting system - because it suits them! Brexit was totally reversible given it’s non- binding nature but the media saw to it that anyone suggesting any further vote was branded as undemocratic so now we have 2 biggest parties in England that support it.