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    That Would Be Telling (thatwouldbetelling@shitposter.club)'s status on Wednesday, 04-Oct-2023 07:04:06 JST That Would Be Telling That Would Be Telling

    Our ruling trash now has an angle on banning EV use: tires are the new big polluter (started reading that yesterday), and:

    “electric vehicles actually make the problem, such as it is, even worse. According to the report, ‘EVs tend to shed around 20 percent more from their tires due to their higher weight and high torque compared to traditional internal combustion engine-powered vehicles.’”

    Needless to say the screaming sources the author is reading are completely silent on dosing.

    And tire makers are already being forced to change them with I suspect very short deadlines, at least in California by 2024, and maybe more comprehensively in the EU starting the next year.

    https://pjmedia.com/vodkapundit/2023/10/02/heres-the-next-damn-way-the-left-will-go-after-your-car-n1731561

    In conversation Wednesday, 04-Oct-2023 07:04:06 JST from shitposter.club permalink
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      That Would Be Telling (thatwouldbetelling@shitposter.club)'s status on Wednesday, 04-Oct-2023 07:04:00 JST That Would Be Telling That Would Be Telling
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      • wizard yuuka
      • Lumpy Luscious Lovehandles (273->267->268)
      • af2

      @wizardyuuka @MuscleOrc1221 Very good question, the ecosystem for EVs is tiny compared to ICEs.

      Is also impoverished at least from Tesla where there are horror stories of it taking months to getting replacement parts (which could otherwise be used to make more cars while it’s in the sales tornado and shipping is all that matters).

      EVs are also “new things” and thus have different maintenance and repair issues and need some new skills to the existing or to be developed workforce. One of the very biggest issues I hear, which along with the repair delays is causing skyrocketing insurance bills, is that enough of a shock to the vehicle means a complete replacement of its batteries

      Because you simply can’t test them to see if ,,, all??? Enough if one catching on fire is contained? (Musk has talked about the latter as I recall came up with the lithium battery pack(s) the 787 uses to save weight.)

      And does the design make that cheap enough in labor?? I mean, really, I’d imagine if you design for repairability, required sooner or later replacement, or the likely doomed quick swap idea, there should be a box or two somewhere you can open and slide packs out and in.

      And some companies including Tesla make some body parts so big fixing or replacing is … involved. I think that saved their bacon when they were having those terrible assembly line problems, but….

      Another company with a truck has what looks like a side panel that can’t be replaced without pulling and reinstalling the front window (!). That may have totaled that vehicle, a 40K US$ parts and labor cost if memory serves (don’t depend on that, it should be easy to look up).

      That’s just bad design of a sorts, will likely sort itself out and for now demands research on your part. And see for example the history of the industry shifting to the unibody.

      As I understand it there’s a hell of a lot to be said for them, for safety unlike a vehicle build on a couple of steel beams which directly transmits force to the passengers they are designed to progressively crumple and that consumes work in the physics sense. But straightening the out afterwords if the crash is of low enough energy it’s worth it requires some big, specialized equipment.

      Doing it all yourself is going to be flatly impossible. Thus I’d recommend @af2 get one of each, like a pickup for the ICE for what it can do that EVs can’t really in practice, and it’s a great way to gain “friends.”

      But see the second link, sounds right, and as for those pesky shale “tight” oil investors, they’ve gotten tired of getting reamed in the go-go days, plus higher interest rates on “safe” things like US Treasury instruments means everyone else has to increase their returns to stay viable.

      https://www.amazon.com/Inside-Tornado-Strategies-Developing-Hypergrowth/dp/0060745819

      https://www.zerohedge.com/commodities/shale-not-coming-rescue

      In conversation Wednesday, 04-Oct-2023 07:04:00 JST permalink

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      wizard yuuka (wizardyuuka@cawfee.club)'s status on Wednesday, 04-Oct-2023 07:04:01 JST wizard yuuka wizard yuuka
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      • Lumpy Luscious Lovehandles (273->267->268)
      • af2
      @af2 @MuscleOrc1221 @ThatWouldBeTelling Fuel might be one thing, but with an EV versus ICEs, isn't the other big part of it the ability to maintain it long term? I hear about plenty of acquaintances who are doing some level of maintenance on their regular cars or bringing old ones into shame, and I'm not sure that's going to be as easy or possible with EVs.
      Admittedly, I've never had a car, so I'm most likely completely off base in all assumptions.
      In conversation Wednesday, 04-Oct-2023 07:04:01 JST permalink
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      af2 (af2@poa.st)'s status on Wednesday, 04-Oct-2023 07:04:02 JST af2 af2
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      • Lumpy Luscious Lovehandles (273->267->268)
      @ThatWouldBeTelling @MuscleOrc1221 OK well I'm no expert in global oil trade but all I know is I can be insulated better from the price shocks by producing my own energy. The future demands independence from the dying system.
      In conversation Wednesday, 04-Oct-2023 07:04:02 JST permalink
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      That Would Be Telling (thatwouldbetelling@shitposter.club)'s status on Wednesday, 04-Oct-2023 07:04:03 JST That Would Be Telling That Would Be Telling
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      • Lumpy Luscious Lovehandles (273->267->268)
      • af2

      @MuscleOrc1221 @af2 Nah, the price of distillates like gasoline is always going to be set in reference to the global price unless the government wants to create shortages with price controls. Been there, done that in the 1970s.

      The biggest problem at the moment, and Jews are almost certainly involved, is a lack of (US) refinery capacity. Although in general, who knew you could achieve peak oil by suppressing it, investment in it at every stage??

      Heh, circling back to the original start of the topic, JFK Jr. wants to ban fracking because oil is the #1 plastics feed stock, and plastics pollution is so very bad mostly turning off our electrical grids and killing tens of millions of Americans right off the bat is obviously something we should do to help with it.

      In conversation Wednesday, 04-Oct-2023 07:04:03 JST permalink
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      af2 (af2@poa.st)'s status on Wednesday, 04-Oct-2023 07:04:04 JST af2 af2
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      @ThatWouldBeTelling You cannot make gasoline in your backyard, but you can make electricity. Not being beholden to the global price of oil and all the political bullshit that comes with that will be immensely useful.
      In conversation Wednesday, 04-Oct-2023 07:04:04 JST permalink
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      Lumpy Luscious Lovehandles (273->267->268) (muscleorc1221@poa.st)'s status on Wednesday, 04-Oct-2023 07:04:04 JST Lumpy Luscious Lovehandles (273->267->268) Lumpy Luscious Lovehandles (273->267->268)
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      @af2 @ThatWouldBeTelling So would kicking the kikes out
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      That Would Be Telling (thatwouldbetelling@shitposter.club)'s status on Wednesday, 04-Oct-2023 07:04:05 JST That Would Be Telling That Would Be Telling
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      @af2 Really? I thought EVs were spyware on wheels which often phone home, and the refueling proposition is very different, especially if you use stabilizers. Range might of course also make a big difference.

      What details do you believe make EVs generally? better than ICE powered? Not sure superior 0-60 is going to be one.

      In conversation Wednesday, 04-Oct-2023 07:04:05 JST permalink
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      af2 (af2@poa.st)'s status on Wednesday, 04-Oct-2023 07:04:06 JST af2 af2
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      @ThatWouldBeTelling They've already successfully convinced a large portion of right wingers that EVs are soyboxes despite enabling war more personal independence than ICE vehicles. Sad!
      In conversation Wednesday, 04-Oct-2023 07:04:06 JST permalink

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