Aral Balkan
Enshittification isn’t things that were not shit becoming shit; they were always shit, you just didn’t feel it.
Surveillance capitalism isn’t some horrible corruption of capitalism, it’s just capitalism in the age of the ubiquitous digital network.
The problem isn’t things that were good becoming bad. The problem is things that have always been bad finally negatively affecting even those with bucketloads of privilege who are now attempting to explain away why they were ok with it all before.
Aral Balkan
Theodore Painsworth
Surveillance capitalism is just capitalism now. Every store, every mid to large product, is built to extract your information. That information is sold to data brokers. Governments buy it to circumvent surveillance laws.
Your car? That company that made it isn't an automotive company. Their profits come more from data it collects and sells, they are surveillance capitalists. When Target asks for your phone number? Same thing. Your records are all being sold.
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@aral o
Surveillance Capitalism is/will be replaced by Technofeudalism; I think both "isms" are here to stay and not mutually exclusive.
Aral Balkan
@0v1 @RD4Anarchy You seem to conflate having a monetary system, and quite possibly commerce, with capitalism.
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@RD4Anarchy @aral I also want to point out that Aral who posted this runs a non-profit organization. Non-profit organizations depend upon capitalism to exist. The whole concept of being able to take income to support society benefitting work depends on people having capital to give. I.e donations, grant money-- all of these concepts are predicated by capital. Are non-profits ethical? Yes they are. Are they part of capitalism, yes they are.
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@RD4Anarchy @aral Firstly, you are attacking me as if I am someone who supports capitalism. I do not, infact, I write extensively about this issues with capitalism. Secondly, I am not being forced to do anything. I live off the land, in a community,, eat the food I grow for myself -- non of which I paid for. I exchange trade with other people to aquire goods I need. Sometimes I make profit, sometimes I make a loss, but this is necessary for me to live. This has been the way for thousands of years, before the industrial complexes of the modern world. What's weird, is this trading for loss and profit, is a part of capitalism, that I deem as ethical.
I think you really ought to engage with people in a neutral manner if you truly wish to be able to tackle a matter effectively.
RD
You think that being forced to engage in production of things for exchange on the market (to enrich someone else) in order not to starve is a good thing?
RD
"There is such thing as ethical capitalism."
No, there is not. Just as there is no ethical version of slavery.
#capitalism stands on multiple violations of human freedom and self-determination. It is built on a foundation of violence, oppression, racism, theft, exclusion, colonialism, extraction, coercion, exploitation.
There is *no baby* in the putrid bathwater of capitalism. Throw it out!
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@RD4Anarchy @aral People making money for food is part of capitalism.
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@aral I would argue that its not a case that they started bad, but a case that they started with the potential for good. There is such thing as ethical capitalism. To think that things start as bad imply they were started with wrong intentions. In many cases, things are started with good intentions.
Aral Balkan
@0v1 Thanks for the kind words and same to you, Ovi. We don’t have to agree on everything ;)
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@aral Aral, also I just want to add that I really appreciate you and your work. I agree on the fundimentals of your toot. The only thing I disagree on is the "all things in capitalism start as bad" notion. Wishing your a great day!
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