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>Libertarians think the fact that citizens are entitled to legal privileges & protections not afforded to foreigners is some kind of own.
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>Zero sum thinking
Let's just step over Tragedy Of The Commons, as if it's somehow something we've evolved past instead of a problem that's never been solved and actually the root cause of communal law. People who theorycraft mutualism like this need to spend a few weeks on a deserted island and a few more in the worst part of Mogadishu or Brazil. If they survive, they can write a book about why their old views were ignorant and futile.
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The existence of completely failed states, extreme poverty and areas filled with not-even-human child soldiers doesn't mean civilized people can't work their problems out to their mutual benefit, or peacefully work through disagreements
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@jeffcliff @BowsacNoodle
What you said has absolutely nothing to do with the topic at hand.
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Look at the OP. This is a critique of nationalism by a libertarian who wants to exploit cheap foreign labor at the expense of the home population under the faulty assumptions that indefinite growth is possible and the net benefits to all of society will be realized through this. In reality it's pathologizing basic self preservation instincts in the name of exploitative capitalism and the destruction of home cultures so that the "elite" class can screw everyone over undisturbed by those with the brains and culture to recognize when they're being fucked with.
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>this is the part I take issue with: I don't think it *has* to be a faulty assumption
Conceptually, it doesn't "have to be" from some law of the universe, although Pareto would disagree with that, but it does in practice. Systems which leverage rather than suppress innate human desires and motivations flourish because they're not fighting nature.
>obesity is misfiring self-preservation instincts that are hopelessly out of touch with the environment
Sure, and we can see the benefit of it since scarcity has been a problem for the majority of human history. I will argue that processed junkfood should go rather than assume our biology is broken. The metaphor extends to the OP.
>sounds like zero-sum thinking to me. See it's a useful little tool ;)
It is because it's reality. I'm all for conquering the stars and getting resources elsewhere, but I'm not going to assume that will just happen automatically nor that we can continue on our current path and get there.
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> under the faulty assumptions that indefinite growth is possible and the net benefits to all of society will be realized through this.
this is the part I take issue with: I don't think it *has* to be a faulty assumption
> pathologizing basic self preservation instincts
sometimes that instinct can misfire, and cause short-sighted decisions. Proof of this one is the obsesity epidemic : a good part of what causes obesity is misfiring self-preservation instincts that are hopelessly out of touch with the environment
> nd the destruction of home cultures so that the "elite" class can screw everyone over undisturbed by those with the brains and culture to recognize when they're being fucked with.
sounds like zero-sum thinking to me
see it's a useful little tool ;)
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