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   SirHoneyBadger (51rh0n3y84d93r@noagendasocial.com)'s status on Wednesday, 20-Sep-2023 07:31:32 JST SirHoneyBadger

   USPS being authorized in the USA Constitution does not mean it's required despite John's assertions.

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     John C Dvorak (johncdvorak@noagendasocial.com)'s status on Wednesday, 20-Sep-2023 07:31:30 JST John C Dvorak

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     @51rH0n3y84d93r @aj Yes, so are these "post offices" just empty shells? They are specifically in the constitution for a reason and the reason was for sending and receiving mail. Is it supposed to happen by magic?

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     @Johncdvorak @aj remove the prohibition of competition with first class mail; that is not in the constitution as it's a law written after the fact. Competition can fill the need while still being constitutional.

     I'd argue your point is similar to demanding a state-ran grocery store. How are people supposed to get food without the state?

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     Sexy Moon (moon@shitposter.club)'s status on Wednesday, 20-Sep-2023 07:31:30 JST Sexy Moon

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     @51rH0n3y84d93r @Johncdvorak @aj the post office remains relevant because there is a duty to service every part of the country including parts that would be totally unprofitable for private enterprise. I feel like you're in a losing fight on this, the post office is one of the few things you can absolutely show the government has the power to do, is definitely good idea and still relevant, and even works pretty well when republicans aren't conspiring to kill it with accounting tricks while taking lobbying money from fedex
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     Sir A.J. :verified: 🥔 🇺🇸 🇳🇴 🇮🇪 (aj@noagendasocial.com)'s status on Wednesday, 20-Sep-2023 07:31:31 JST Sir A.J. :verified: 🥔 🇺🇸 🇳🇴 🇮🇪

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     @51rH0n3y84d93r @Johncdvorak

     not arguing that Congress is not doing their job, rather pointing out that Congress is required to provide Post Offices.

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     SirHoneyBadger (51rh0n3y84d93r@noagendasocial.com)'s status on Wednesday, 20-Sep-2023 07:31:31 JST SirHoneyBadger

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     @aj @Johncdvorak not to get too pedantic, but it's the internet, the USPS is not mandated, but post offices and roads seemingly are. See the Cato article that suggests it can be better privatized. Ron Paul had mentioned this in the past with allowing for competition with first class mail: https://www.cato.org/blog/us-postal-service-constitution

     But good discussion, I learned more than I ever wanted to about mail and the fact the post office and roads are in fact mandated.

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     Sir A.J. :verified: 🥔 🇺🇸 🇳🇴 🇮🇪 (aj@noagendasocial.com)'s status on Wednesday, 20-Sep-2023 07:31:32 JST Sir A.J. :verified: 🥔 🇺🇸 🇳🇴 🇮🇪

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     Article I, Section VIII, clause 7:

     "To establish Post Offices and Post Roads;"

     establish = create, build, provide

     not optional, therefore required.

     @Johncdvorak

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     SirHoneyBadger (51rh0n3y84d93r@noagendasocial.com)'s status on Wednesday, 20-Sep-2023 07:31:32 JST SirHoneyBadger

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     @aj @Johncdvorak now do the militia part a few lines down and get back to me when they're reestablished. The militia is not synonymous with the army, navy or national guard.

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     Sexy Moon (moon@shitposter.club)'s status on Wednesday, 20-Sep-2023 07:43:18 JST Sexy Moon

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     @51rH0n3y84d93r @aj @Johncdvorak I personally don't care about the competition laws and they could be removed but that isn't an excuse to shut down a single existing post office.
     
     they've operated in the black and have been well-run since the mid 80s. the funding requirements are unusual and deliberately created to make the post office unprofitable so they can stand in front of congress and and say it's a money sink and should be shut down. it's despicable and every politician doing this should be hanged by the neck until dead for radical abuse of public office.
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     SirHoneyBadger (51rh0n3y84d93r@noagendasocial.com)'s status on Wednesday, 20-Sep-2023 07:43:19 JST SirHoneyBadger

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     @Moon @aj @Johncdvorak then remove the laws against competition and see what happens.

     They've slit their own throats when they've never been profitable despite being spun off as a quasi-private entity existing to help subsidize Amazon.

     Regarding the conspiring to destroy them, the only thing I've seen is the requirements for them to set aside retirement funds for their new-hires. Move to a 401k or equivalent and the problem goes away as the tax payers aren't exposed.

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     Sexy Moon (moon@shitposter.club)'s status on Wednesday, 20-Sep-2023 07:55:15 JST Sexy Moon

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     @51rH0n3y84d93r @aj @Johncdvorak There are numerous reasons that social security is underfunded, some of them are even also Republicans' fault like cutting payroll taxes and borrowing against it for defense spending with no intention of every paying it back. social security has always been a paygo system with its own funding. there's not actually an obligation for the post office to be self-funding, you could just fund it out of general revenue as a public good. there are good articles online about the retirement artificial shortfall.
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     SirHoneyBadger (51rh0n3y84d93r@noagendasocial.com)'s status on Wednesday, 20-Sep-2023 07:55:16 JST SirHoneyBadger

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     @Moon @aj @Johncdvorak and when they were in the black, were they underfunding the retirement fund like certain auto makers? I suspect they operated similar to Social Security on that front.