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   James Bradbury (jamesgbradbury@mastodon.social)'s status on Wednesday, 20-Sep-2023 22:35:52 JST James Bradbury

   • goatsarah
   • Charles 𝄢 H
   • Ghost of Hope

   @goatsarah @celesteh @grayface_ghost Both options are destructive of the countryside and wild areas that are essential to food production, but you cannot countenance any other ideas?

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     Charles 𝄢 H (celesteh@post.lurk.org)'s status on Tuesday, 19-Sep-2023 22:43:31 JST Charles 𝄢 H

     • Ghost of Hope

     @grayface_ghost

     [ People's houses get demolished. ]

     Green activists: [Yawn.]

     [ An oak tree that isn't even that old might get chopped down. ]

     Green activists: This is a disaster and we must act immediately!

     We need to protect the environment, but these folks can't see the forest for the trees and they are just so very good at alienating everyone but middle class people exactly like themselves.

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     James Bradbury (jamesgbradbury@mastodon.social)'s status on Wednesday, 20-Sep-2023 19:39:18 JST James Bradbury

     • goatsarah
     • Charles 𝄢 H
     • Ghost of Hope

     @goatsarah @celesteh @grayface_ghost the alternative is a balanced relationship with the rest of the natural world and an end to the obsession with endless growth at any cost. #degrowth #degrowthuk

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     Charles 𝄢 H (celesteh@post.lurk.org)'s status on Wednesday, 20-Sep-2023 22:35:51 JST Charles 𝄢 H

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     • goatsarah
     • Ghost of Hope

     @jamesgbradbury @goatsarah @grayface_ghost also, sheesh, the tiny amount of "countryside" this takes up in comparison to growing food animals.

     Urban eco activists have no sense of statistics or scale and a romantic notion of land utterly divorced from reality. Its infuriating how uninformed and incurious people are about actual land use and impacts.

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     Charles 𝄢 H (celesteh@post.lurk.org)'s status on Wednesday, 20-Sep-2023 22:35:52 JST Charles 𝄢 H

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     • goatsarah
     • Ghost of Hope

     @jamesgbradbury @goatsarah @grayface_ghost

     A lot of people and goods need to move around the country. Food needs to move around. We cannot sustain our population without transport infrastructure and we must transform that to more sustainable models which will involve revitalising the canal system and increasing capacity on rail lines.

     These transformations are not in conflict with degrowth, assuming you're not also calling to kill a bunch of people to reduce demand.

     We can't change at the flip of a switch and need to create a transitional space which will involve a certain amount of construction. Houses don't get insulated by wishing. Everything we do about climate involves moving materials