Conversation

Notices

1. Embed this notice
   Jason (jason@fouroclockfarms.club)'s status on Thursday, 14-Sep-2023 06:57:41 JST Jason

   • Pup Ether

   wtf is the bad space?

   ( @pupether here there's some replies with answers, lol)

   • Embed this notice
     Isaac Specht (mud212@toot.darkcooger.net)'s status on Thursday, 14-Sep-2023 06:57:40 JST Isaac Specht

     in reply to

     @Jason As I understand it, it's a large fediblock list that's being curated in the hope and anticipation that Mastodon will implement bulk import of domain blocks.

     So you could just subscribe to The Bad Space list and it would block hundreds of shitty domains with a minimum of clicks.

   • Embed this notice
     novatorine 🏴🏳️‍⚧️ (anarchopunk_girl@kolektiva.social)'s status on Thursday, 14-Sep-2023 06:57:47 JST novatorine 🏴🏳️‍⚧️

     in reply to

     • Aires
     • Isaac Specht

     @Jason @aires @mud212 another important piece of the puzzle here is that seemingly (as far as anyone could tell) innocent trans women were majorly overrepresented in the unjustified, inexplicable blocks, and so trans women got rightfully pretty upset and frustrated, since we're everyone's favorite scapegoat, and isolating innocent trans women while simultaneously accusing them of serious things — the blocks were automatically default-tagged with "hate speech, bigotry, poor moderation" instead of the block being nonspecific — is very harmful. And once those accusations are out, well, that genie is never going back in the bottle.

     It would've stopped there, but then Ro, the creator of the list, started accusing everyone who was upset with him — or questioned the block list's fundamental approach — as racists (which others try to justify by saying that there was a racist harassment campaign against a black queer instance called Play Vicious awhile ago and so Ro is somehow justified in assuming racist intent) and another big Black Fedi used started talking about "fashy trans" as if that was the main problem, and so people have kept being angry and pushing back because of how disingenuously the bad space's defenders have been handling everything. And for many other reasons. I actually have a big post pinned to my profile summarizing the issues with TheBadSpace, with receipts, if you're interested.

   • Embed this notice
     Aires (aires@tiggi.es)'s status on Thursday, 14-Sep-2023 06:57:48 JST Aires

     in reply to

     • Isaac Specht

     @Jason @mud212
     It's a block list. There's two main sides that I can see:

     On one hand, it's being built by someone who's invested tons of time and energy into making Mastodon safe for marginalized communities. We wouldn't have the tools and communities we do without them.

     On the other, lots of people found themselves on said block list and can't find a reason for being there. Lots of people are questioning why certain instances are on it and don't think they should be.

     It's an ongoing issue with shared block lists. Anyone can block anyone they want, and we're not entitled to a reason. But if a lot of people adopt a block list without looking at who it's blocking and why, a lot of instances could potentially get blacked out.

   • Embed this notice
     Jason (jason@fouroclockfarms.club)'s status on Thursday, 14-Sep-2023 06:57:48 JST Jason

     in reply to

     • Aires
     • Isaac Specht

     @aires @mud212 I see the benefits, but with the amount of personal vendettas there are floating around the fediverse, it seems more prone to abuse than anything...

   • Embed this notice
     Jason (jason@fouroclockfarms.club)'s status on Thursday, 14-Sep-2023 06:57:50 JST Jason

     in reply to

     • Isaac Specht

     @mud212 oh. That doesn't sound like a great idea....

   • Embed this notice
     novatorine 🏴🏳️‍⚧️ (anarchopunk_girl@kolektiva.social)'s status on Thursday, 14-Sep-2023 07:30:21 JST novatorine 🏴🏳️‍⚧️

     in reply to

     • Aires
     • Isaac Specht

     @aires @Jason @mud212 like I said there needs to be something like this but this specific attempt at solving this very real problem is Fubar and kind of has been since the start given their list of trusted authorities sadly

   • Embed this notice
     Aires (aires@tiggi.es)'s status on Thursday, 14-Sep-2023 07:30:22 JST Aires

     in reply to

     • novatorine 🏴🏳️‍⚧️
     • Isaac Specht

     @anarchopunk_girl @Jason @mud212 Thank you for the write up, you covered a lot of important points and perspectives. It's just sad how this is all turning out