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   Alexandre Oliva (lxo@gnusocial.net)'s status on Wednesday, 13-Sep-2023 17:49:09 JST Alexandre Oliva

   • Alfred M. Szmidt
   • Julius Schwartzenberg
   speaking of misconceptions... what do y'all make of the following "rant"
   https://invidious.snopyta.org/watch?v=9SD5hwvIprU @amszmidt @lnxw48a1
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     Julius Schwartzenberg (jschwart@mas.to)'s status on Thursday, 14-Sep-2023 12:03:23 JST Julius Schwartzenberg

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     @lxo @lnxw48a1@nu.federati.net the video starts with the idea that Russia is open to negotiations. The expectation both inside and outside Ukraine is however that any form of ongoing occupation that would result from that would cost more lives (due to the way people are treated in occupied territories) and result in more land grab by Russia in the future despite whatever was negotiated. Simply put while it seems this war is costing lives, Ukraine expects any long-term ongoing occupation to cost even more lives.

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     Alexandre Oliva (lxo@gnusocial.net)'s status on Thursday, 14-Sep-2023 12:03:23 JST Alexandre Oliva

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     • Julius Schwartzenberg
     that sounds like Ukraine is not open to negotiations, but you suggested that it is Russia who isn't. did you mean to write Ukraine there, or what? AFAIK, Russia has been open to negotiations from the beginning, and it is USNato that has been driving Ukraine away from the negotiations table. is this not the case?
     
     ACK on fears about post-agreement situation. I doubt they're any different from a post-war situation, so I have trouble making sense of the reasoning behind that stance. care to elaborate?