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   sofia ☮️🏴 (sofia@chaos.social)'s status on Monday, 11-Sep-2023 02:49:46 JST sofia ☮️🏴

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   • prom™️

   @promovicz i'm not sure what "in isolation" means here, i'm not sure there is context that makes is more meaningful.

   also anarchism is not against order, it's for making an order without power. and i don't think ancoms are somehow more orderly than other anarchists.

   different anarchists have different ideas and preferences about how to address collective action problems, they just oppose coercive "solutions".

   but all social structure is about collective mechanism made of individual actions.

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     prom™️ (promovicz@chaos.social)'s status on Monday, 11-Sep-2023 02:49:48 JST prom™️

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     @sofia I think that all ideologies turn into nonsense when applied in isolation. Even anarchism has a tendency to seek order - which is why anarcho-communism exists. Granted - "individualism" and "collectivism" are particularly generic, so I suppose that they have to make less sense.

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     sofia ☮️🏴 (sofia@chaos.social)'s status on Monday, 11-Sep-2023 02:49:49 JST sofia ☮️🏴

     anyone else got the feeling that "individualism" and "collectivism" in a political sense are just kinda nonsense?