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   Dave Lane :flag_tino: 🇳🇿 (lightweight@mastodon.nzoss.nz)'s status on Tuesday, 05-Sep-2023 12:28:32 JST Dave Lane :flag_tino: 🇳🇿

   Fascinating: https://mastodon.social/@Snoro/111009719372820276 But not sure I'd take this approach without direct provocation from drivers. That said, it might influence people's vehicle purchasing decisions... Disclosure: I've used this (non-destructive but inconvenient) approach on a couple occasions when I've come across cars whose drivers have previously put my safety (as a cyclist obeying all road rules) at risk for their own convenience or out of ignorance of their responsibilities...

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     djsumdog (djsumdog@djsumdog.com)'s status on Tuesday, 05-Sep-2023 12:28:13 JST djsumdog

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     I think it's dumb and childish. You're accomplishing nothing, and not drawing people to your ideology. These climatetologists could learn a thing or two about grace and humility from the fucking Mormons.
     
     You can preach your religion by going door to or and talking to people who listen. Deflating peopes' tires won't win anyone over because who wants to support evangelists who are massive fucking assholes.
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     Fediverse Contractor (bot@seal.cafe)'s status on Tuesday, 05-Sep-2023 12:29:12 JST Fediverse Contractor

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     • shrimps!
     He doesn’t own a boat.
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     shrimps! (animeirl@shitposter.club)'s status on Tuesday, 05-Sep-2023 12:29:13 JST shrimps!

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     @djsumdog @lightweight I don’t want them on the roads
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     djsumdog (djsumdog@djsumdog.com)'s status on Tuesday, 05-Sep-2023 12:29:13 JST djsumdog

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     Why?
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     shrimps! (animeirl@shitposter.club)'s status on Tuesday, 05-Sep-2023 12:29:15 JST shrimps!

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     @djsumdog @lightweight suvs are dumb and childish
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     djsumdog (djsumdog@djsumdog.com)'s status on Tuesday, 05-Sep-2023 12:29:15 JST djsumdog

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     Then don't buy one?
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     • shrimps!
     Or waverunners.
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     djsumdog (djsumdog@djsumdog.com)'s status on Tuesday, 05-Sep-2023 16:46:42 JST djsumdog

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     Literally none of these predictions have come true:
     
     https://extinctionclock.org/
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     Dave Lane :flag_tino: 🇳🇿 (lightweight@mastodon.nzoss.nz)'s status on Tuesday, 05-Sep-2023 16:46:45 JST Dave Lane :flag_tino: 🇳🇿

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     @djsumdog And wow, that's a pretty serious leap suggesting I want people to die. On the contrary - the same claim could be levelled at folks like you who're claiming that all this is made up, as people living on low-lying islands around the world find it impossible to grow crops due to salt water incursion... Not to mention the other 20-30% of humanity who live within a metre or two of sea level.

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     djsumdog (djsumdog@djsumdog.com)'s status on Tuesday, 05-Sep-2023 16:46:46 JST djsumdog

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     What is the largest energy draw? Heating homes. It also keeps people alive. Unless you have a play for relocated hundreds of millions of people that live in places like Moscow, New York and Chicago, you are basically saying humans need to die off.
     
     People don't get by on less energy. Electronics and trinkets don't amount to anything compared with heating homes.
     
     I think what all your Climechangeologists don't want to admit is that you basically just want a lot of humanity to die .. I feel like you almost crave it, just like the Christians and their Revelations and their nuclear wars.
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     Dave Lane :flag_tino: 🇳🇿 (lightweight@mastodon.nzoss.nz)'s status on Tuesday, 05-Sep-2023 16:46:48 JST Dave Lane :flag_tino: 🇳🇿

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     @djsumdog I happen to think that we, as humans in the rich part of the world, have got used to expending vastly more energy than we need to in order to 'thrive/prosper' & that we'd actually enjoy our lives more if we expended far less and invested much of our energy in using less energy. And yes, you sometimes need to invest (energy) up front to save it in the longer term.

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     djsumdog (djsumdog@djsumdog.com)'s status on Tuesday, 05-Sep-2023 16:46:49 JST djsumdog

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     Sure, if we can find viable replacements. If the ITER reactor magically solves the fusion problem (which everyone is hoping and betting on; literally billions of $$$ in that thing) but there is no viable replacement in the green industry. All the solar, wind and batteries in the world would not be able to provide the energy needed for a tiny percentage of the global food production needed to sustain humanity. All that shit does is cause much much much more pollution than hydrocarbons
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     Dave Lane :flag_tino: 🇳🇿 (lightweight@mastodon.nzoss.nz)'s status on Tuesday, 05-Sep-2023 16:46:51 JST Dave Lane :flag_tino: 🇳🇿

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     @djsumdog Even if (& I clearly don't think it's the case) 'climate catastrophe' isn't upon us, decoupling human prosperity from fossil fuel use is good & necessary no matter what.

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     Dave Lane :flag_tino: 🇳🇿 (lightweight@mastodon.nzoss.nz)'s status on Tuesday, 05-Sep-2023 16:46:52 JST Dave Lane :flag_tino: 🇳🇿

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     @djsumdog I think there's more nuance to it than that. I'm very cynical about the EV industry (even so, given that I have PV on my house, I'm keen to have one when my ICE car dies) & I agree that many corporations are trying to push bullshit like hydrogen conversion. I get a lot of stuff. But the issue is that our society's economies are in lock step with fossil fuel exploitation & that needs to change.

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     djsumdog (djsumdog@djsumdog.com)'s status on Tuesday, 05-Sep-2023 16:46:54 JST djsumdog

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     You do realize the energy industry and every government around the world is flocking onto this climate bullshit, right? It's being lobbied for by every energy industry. They are making a killing off of wind turbines that don't work and kill whales. Germany is shutting down nuclear plants that produce cleaner power than dozens of coal plants and last longer than wind turbines.
     
     You're in a disillusion world if you don't see all the insane amounts of money going to big polluters like electric car companies. Every major industry loves climate change because they are making insane amounts of money from stuff that is convincing people to buy more shit.
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     Dave Lane :flag_tino: 🇳🇿 (lightweight@mastodon.nzoss.nz)'s status on Tuesday, 05-Sep-2023 16:46:55 JST Dave Lane :flag_tino: 🇳🇿

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     @djsumdog The best way to convince me that climate change is happening is that those who are flagging the result of their research, adding to the chorus, are in direct opposition to the interests of some of the wealthiest, most entrenched, & self-protecting people (oil industry) around. You'd have to feel *very* confident in your results to take on such a powerful and prone-to-evil group. I'm afraid your position doesn't compel me, convenient though it would be.

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     djsumdog (djsumdog@djsumdog.com)'s status on Tuesday, 05-Sep-2023 16:46:56 JST djsumdog

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     How is climate alarism not a religion? You have a sacred set of scientists that disseminate information like priests. Anyone who doesn't agree loses funding. The information is literally non-verifable just like the resurrection of Christ. You have to put faith in the holy priests (scientist) than can understand the massive volumes of papers (Talmud)
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     Dave Lane :flag_tino: 🇳🇿 (lightweight@mastodon.nzoss.nz)'s status on Tuesday, 05-Sep-2023 16:46:57 JST Dave Lane :flag_tino: 🇳🇿

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     @djsumdog also, I think that likening this initiative to something daft like religion is just going to get people's backs up (i.e. not the accomplishing result you desire). But this is probably going to end up in violence because most people happy with their blissful ignorance.

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     Matt Hamilton [Maryland] (eriner@noagendasocial.com)'s status on Tuesday, 05-Sep-2023 23:46:59 JST Matt Hamilton [Maryland]

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     @lightweight @djsumdog @strypey

     > finally recognizes the blind appeal to authority
     > disregards the fallacy anyway because it isn't "progressive" and flings shit because the "other side" is too "conservative"

     Name a more iconic duo.

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     Dave Lane :flag_tino: 🇳🇿 (lightweight@mastodon.nzoss.nz)'s status on Tuesday, 05-Sep-2023 23:47:03 JST Dave Lane :flag_tino: 🇳🇿

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     @djsumdog maybe you're right. That said, I see the hallmarks of an anti-progressive (conservative) ideology poking through the gaps in your narrative... Yes, I guess, though we see a lot of things the same way, it seems we observe different loci of power, and we have different images of ourselves, and those affiliations make us incompatible in our positions. Too bad. @strypey

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     djsumdog (djsumdog@djsumdog.com)'s status on Tuesday, 05-Sep-2023 23:47:04 JST djsumdog

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     I’m a Scientist too. I literally have a masters and am 2nd author on 3 different papers on environment sensor networks. I’ve literally developed systems for monitoring temperature data:

     https://battlepenguin.com/resume/

     ..But that also doesn’t matter because it’s an argument from authority.

     I will always trust scientists that promote a position despite it being a) unpopular

     DO YOU NOT UNDERSTAND THE POSITION OF CLIMATE CHANGE IS INSANELY POPULAR!!! It’s literally the most popular opinion right now! If fact, by your insane logic, you should be putting more value on those who have lost their grants and funding by opposing the climate narrative because there’s a fuck ton more of them.

     being contrary to societal norms and behaviours

     This post-modern view that things which go against the current norms are somehow better; progressiveness for progressive sake .. it doesn’t fulfill a societal fitness requirement. The norms that are in place are here because they helped society survive to this point. To dismiss them outright and desire to replace them usually doesn’t end well.

     Those scientists trying to bring this to our attention are largely selfless heroes

     The term hero is overused and has little meaning anymore. A hero is a person who gives up his career and is dishonorably discharged from he military because he refused to take an experimental preventative drug that was developed in two months and doesn’t work.

     A scientist that goes along with the 99% of other scientists who believe the current thing is not a hero. They a conformer. They’re likely to administer the lethal shock to the other person in the Stanley Milgram experiments.

     The extreme contradictions in your statements show just how far deep in the ideology you are in. It is part of your core identity and you cannot separate yourself from it, even when your beliefs aren’t even logically consistent.

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     Dave Lane :flag_tino: 🇳🇿 (lightweight@mastodon.nzoss.nz)'s status on Tuesday, 05-Sep-2023 23:47:06 JST Dave Lane :flag_tino: 🇳🇿

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     @djsumdog None of use are climate scientists, but I am a scientist & know how science works & what motivates most scientists. I will *always* trust scientists that promote a position *despite* it being a) unpopular with funding/grant providers (gov'ts, institutions, & big corporates), and b) being contrary to societal norms and behaviours. Doing so is generally career limiting, not enabling. Those scientists trying to bring this to our attention are largely selfless heroes. 2/2 @strypey

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     Dave Lane :flag_tino: 🇳🇿 (lightweight@mastodon.nzoss.nz)'s status on Tuesday, 05-Sep-2023 23:47:07 JST Dave Lane :flag_tino: 🇳🇿

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     @djsumdog here's the thing: You're advocating for 'business as usual', aligned entirely with people who're making vast fortunes from fossil fuel exploitation (&, as you say, from convincing weak gov'ts that they're investing in 'green'(washed) energy transfer media like hydrogen & biofuel) . You're throwing us numbers & asking us to draw conclusions from them. 1/2 @strypey

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     djsumdog (djsumdog@djsumdog.com)'s status on Tuesday, 05-Sep-2023 23:47:08 JST djsumdog

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     Again, you’re picking irrelevant numbers that suit your ideological bias. The ratio of gases doesn’t matter

     You are deciding this point is irrelevant, because it suits you needs. Explain why the ratio of gases doesn’t matter. It’s literally a trace gas, and it is the fuel sourced use to create nearly all of the mass of all plants and trees (source: https://youtu.be/2KZb2_vcNTg), so it’s a tiny amount that’s being constantly consumed. Why is everyone ignoring water vapor, which is a sizable larger greenhouse gas?

     Look up how much sunlight each molecule of carbon-based gas converts to heat per day.

     You going to quantify that? First, is this measurable? Second, how do you measure it? Third, what is the measurement?

     Most people don’t realize the Earth dissipates over 99.9% of the energy of the sun. If it didn’t the earth would be boiling. We don’t get energy from the sun, we get entropy: https://youtu.be/DxL2HoqLbyA

     Then look again at those 2 points we agree on. Now you understand climate change.

     There were 38C winters in Chicago in the 1920s. There are countless records of forest fires in the 1800s in California. Weird weather is actually pretty common, because weather is highly unpredictable due to the entropy we get from the sun.

     There have been glaciers in Illinois. There have been seas in Nevada. This has happened within 10,000 years. Every 10,000 ~ 12,000 years is a cycle of ice ages. That’s a massive range, because the rates can vary massively. The idea that human beings are able to affect that is hubris as much as it is unprovable.

     Climate change requires faith.

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     Strypey (strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz)'s status on Tuesday, 05-Sep-2023 23:47:10 JST Strypey

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     So we agree on those 2 points? Awesome.

     @djsumdog
     > You realize CO2 makes up < 0.03% of all gas in the entire atmosphere, right?

     Again, you're picking irrelevant numbers that suit your ideological bias. The ratio of gases doesn't matter. Look up how much sunlight each molecule of carbon-based gas converts to heat per day.

     Then look again at those 2 points we agree on. Now you understand climate change.

     @lightweight

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     djsumdog (djsumdog@djsumdog.com)'s status on Tuesday, 05-Sep-2023 23:47:12 JST djsumdog

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     Understanding climate change is simple. No numbers required. You just need to understand two things

     Explain to me how you didn’t just acknowledge it’s a religious belif

     Human activities are adding carbon-based gases to the atmosphere

     You realize CO2 makes up < 0.03% of all gas in the entire atmosphere, right?

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     Strypey (strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz)'s status on Tuesday, 05-Sep-2023 23:47:13 JST Strypey

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     @djsumdog
     > explain to me in your own words what this means

     It means you're failing to see the forest for the trees.

     Understanding climate change is simple. No numbers required. You just need to understand two things;

     1) The Greenhouse Effect; carbon-based gases convert sunlight into heat

     2) Human activities are adding carbon-based gases to the atmosphere

     What you've done is start with a claim that fits your ideological bias, and made a big pile of numbers that fit that bias.

     @lightweight

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     djsumdog (djsumdog@djsumdog.com)'s status on Tuesday, 05-Sep-2023 23:47:14 JST djsumdog

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     You have? Do you have the raw UAH data for remote climate satellites? Can you tell be the resolution of NOAA temperature sensor sites used for calibration per square kilometer (or the equivalent of NOAA in literally any country)? Can you tell me how the calibrations for the RSS data held by UAH were made and why they were adjusted/re-calibrated (spoiler alert, you can because the raw data isn't available).
     
     You say you've done the maths, but I don't think you have. I've been on RSS projects where I've talked about this with professors and there are an absolute insane amount of gaps and an incredibly amount of pure guesswork and magic.
     
     I wish I could publish stuff on this, but some things were under NDA and some projects I had to leave because I found better paying work.
     
     Also, explain to me in your own words what this means:
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     Dave Lane :flag_tino: 🇳🇿 (lightweight@mastodon.nzoss.nz)'s status on Tuesday, 05-Sep-2023 23:47:16 JST Dave Lane :flag_tino: 🇳🇿

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     @djsumdog I've done far more maths than most. I'm disappointed in your position on climate change.

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     djsumdog (djsumdog@djsumdog.com)'s status on Tuesday, 05-Sep-2023 23:47:17 JST djsumdog

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     gov’ts continue to be actively counter-productive in the face of existential crisis.

     I don’t think you understand, there is no “existential crisis” … it’s literally (not figuratively) the exact same thing as a Christian saying Jesus is coming back. The idea the climate is being changed in an accelerated manor by man is a pure ideology.

     Look at this math. Do you understand these maths?

     https://djsumdog.com/objects/25cc9db7-255a-4ea9-979f-4a993540bed5

     It’s not remotely verifiable. You can’t get raw satellite sensor data. The data used in the IPCC papers are all totally different, and non-comparable.

     This list of things haven’t happened yet:

     https://extinctionclock.org/

     And more than anything .. anything at all .. every single policy offered by every government to “stop climate change” destroys the environment. We have non-recyclable wind turbines that end up in landfills, telling people to buy brand new electric cars filled with rare earth metals, Australia’s carbon taxes which Chinese companies lobbed for so Australians couldn’t process their own ore, and instead sent ore on ships to China, wasting a shit ton more diesel fuel (that was back during the Julia Gilard days).

     It is a religious ideology. You haven’t done the maths, you simply believe what you’ve been told by authority.

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     @djsumdog interesting response. I'm not advocating that approach, however it might be necessary to achieve the needed change in behaviour. You might want to read Kim Stanley Robinson's The Ministry for the Future. He imagines how these things might escalate (e.g. people shooting down private jets & even long-haul passenger jets) if gov'ts continue to be actively counter-productive in the face of existential crisis. Shit has to change & some powerful people will need to accept far lower profits.

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     Sexy Moon (moon@shitposter.club)'s status on Wednesday, 06-Sep-2023 07:36:57 JST Sexy Moon

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     @djsumdog @lightweight @strypey remember when their politicians were literally going to make being mean online a crime
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     djsumdog (djsumdog@djsumdog.com)'s status on Wednesday, 06-Sep-2023 07:36:58 JST djsumdog

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     I am VERY glad I left NZ. Your country literally had the State take a family’s baby away and force the child to get surgery, because the parents wanted to use their won blood downers. You put people in jail for simply having a video of a crime or a man’s manifesto. Your people literally did this at a “Let Women Speak” event:

     https://odysee.com/@christianity666.com:6/Let-Women-Speak-New-Zealand—Auckland–NZ:8

     Granted that last thing happens in the US too … in blue cities that are riddled with crime and the truly most deplorable people. America is where I want to be when things go south, not trapped on an archipelago in the middle of the Pacific with 4 million people and no bill of rights.

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     Dave Lane :flag_tino: 🇳🇿 (lightweight@mastodon.nzoss.nz)'s status on Wednesday, 06-Sep-2023 07:37:03 JST Dave Lane :flag_tino: 🇳🇿

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     @djsumdog as I said, the US is screwed. @strypey

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     djsumdog (djsumdog@djsumdog.com)'s status on Wednesday, 06-Sep-2023 07:37:04 JST djsumdog

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     You seriously think the more corrupt, inept piece of shit Biden, who sniffs and touches children inappropriately, who had a rape accusation by Tara Reid , got 80 million votes? You seriously think Former Vice President Biden got more votes than any other presidential candidate in American history?

     🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

     oh god. That’s hilarious.

     I documented dozens of election problems right after the election here:

     https://battlepenguin.com/politics/the-return-of-american-corruption/

     Every major social media site censored the election problems. Hilary went on for four fucking years about how Trump stole the 2016 election and faced no consequences for lying about the Russia Hoax, the Muller Report … the fucking Steele Dossier!

     People could challenge the 2016 election to no end for years, meanwhile people who simply protested against the obvious election fraud are now literally political prisoners who are being tortured:

     https://battlepenguin.com/politics/the-new-political-prisoners-of-america/

     I highly recommend the documentary 2,000 Mules. It documents all the ballot stuffing operations. America needs voter ID and removal of mail in ballots.

     Did you even read my argument?

     https://battlepenguin.com/philosophy/the-fracturing-of-the-human-mind/#the-american-mind

     At the very least the 2020 elections were the most controversial since Bush v Gore. It was quite literally 6~8 states in the situation Florida was in back in 2000, but with every real challenge getting struck down due to Trump Derangement Syndrome and Orange Man Bad-ism.

     If you think it was really the most Free Fair and Fortified™ election in all of history, you should go back to reading Time Magazine.

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     @djsumdog oh dear. That's your cred shot to hell. Trump won? Holy crap. And no, I didn't vote for Clinton either, because, yes, she's part of the entirely corrupt establishment. But thinking Trump is preferable... no, Trump is a shit stain. There's nothing good about him. Sadly, the US is a broken, corrupt nation and it's terrifying. I'm just pleased my immediate family is mostly far away from it. @strypey

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     djsumdog (djsumdog@djsumdog.com)'s status on Wednesday, 06-Sep-2023 07:37:09 JST djsumdog

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     I do think the says some incendiary things, and certainly goes a bit too far as entertainer. But that supercut video; you can look up every one of those reports. They're real. He is not one of the approved ruling class in America and the great families that hold interest in all our news media turned it against him. They have lied constantly about him, while defending the current leader who literally has corrupt ties to Ukraine through his crack head son.
     
     They also stole that election. I could have voted several times because of mail-in ballots sent to my address for people who no longer lived there:
     
     https://battlepenguin.com/philosophy/the-fracturing-of-the-human-mind/#the-american-mind
     
     and finally, he was the only anti-war president of my lifetime.
     
     http://battlepenguin.com/politics/who-will-lead-us-from-war/
     
     Regan, Papa Bush, Clinton, Baby Bush ... hell Obama carpet bombed Libya and tried to take us to war in Syria!
     
     https://battlepenguin.com/politics/video/syria/
     
     and I was not a Trump fan. I thought he was just as corrupt as Hillary .. but I was also very upset early on at the insane amount of anger Americans and the world had, unable to recognize reality from propaganda:
     
     https://battlepenguin.com/politics/the-fallout-of-american-anger/
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     @djsumdog Sorry, but I grew up within sight of NY City and Trump's was a frequent loud and colossally dumb voice throughout my formative years. He was an unworthy, righteously ignorant, entitled, self-serving, self-aggrandising charlatan then, and he hasn't improved one whit with age. @strypey

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     djsumdog (djsumdog@djsumdog.com)'s status on Wednesday, 06-Sep-2023 07:37:12 JST djsumdog

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     even Trump has got a few things right

     Trump got a lot more than a few things right. This is another issue where you just kinda believe everything you see on the Google/Facebook/TV screen.

     Once you start questioning authority, you find that most authority is lying to everyone in order to preserve their authority. This happens in government, church, news, propaganda (I repeat myself) and Science™.

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     @djsumdog you might be right about him making a good point. The bible, hell, even Trump has got a few things right, but those things are either self-evident, or I can inevitably hear those same insights from sources I actually respect. I must admit to not being overly excited by Aristotle. As for entertaining thoughts, I'm spoilt for choice, and I usually seek them from more auspicious sources. @strypey

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     djsumdog (djsumdog@djsumdog.com)'s status on Wednesday, 06-Sep-2023 07:37:15 JST djsumdog

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     If you’re talking about Peterson, I don’t even like the guy. I think he just makes a good point on some things.

     “It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it.”

     -Aristotle

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     @djsumdog and yet you appear to have cleaved to one side of that divide, and are even pushing the words of one of its most famous/reviled (depending on ones perspective) adherents to make your points... 🤔 @strypey

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     anti-progressive (conservative)

     Just the facts as I can observe them. The wold is not split into left and right, us and them, conservative and progressive. Everyone has vastly complex views. The fake divide is part of the lie.