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   on-lain ✔ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ (lain@lain.com)'s status on Wednesday, 30-Aug-2023 22:49:25 JST on-lain ✔ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ
   > https://www.osnews.com/story/136829/the-end-of-the-googleverse
   > can't spend 25 bucks a month on his job
   > "omg why is big tech such a hellscape???"
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     feld (feld@bikeshed.party)'s status on Wednesday, 30-Aug-2023 22:53:04 JST feld

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     $25 a month? that's like 5 lattes
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     feld (feld@bikeshed.party)'s status on Wednesday, 30-Aug-2023 22:58:20 JST feld

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     No but honestly, why does everyone think the entire internet and every tool needs to be 100% free?
     
     What the fuck is wrong with people?
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     Doughnut Lollipop 【記録係】:blobfoxgooglymlem: (tk@bbs.kawa-kun.com)'s status on Wednesday, 30-Aug-2023 23:01:13 JST Doughnut Lollipop 【記録係】:blobfoxgooglymlem:

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     @feld @lain Are you going to start charging for Pleroma? :blobfoxthink:
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     feld (feld@bikeshed.party)'s status on Wednesday, 30-Aug-2023 23:01:31 JST feld

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     This same brainworm :brainworms: is what makes people point at Mac users and say they're being taken advantage of because "all of the paid apps" vs Linux.
     
     Most of the apps I've purchased -- which are incredibly high quality, and get updates to support every new MacOS release -- are developed by independent developers. These are regular people who love what they do, made something useful, and supporting the software supports them and their families. I rarely have to buy something that comes from a giant global mega corp.
     
     Is that evil because it's not open source?
     
     When was the last time you gave $100 to another open source developer? Ever?
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     on-lain ✔ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ (lain@lain.com)'s status on Wednesday, 30-Aug-2023 23:02:31 JST on-lain ✔ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

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     @feld I'm especially annoyed because Thom has run osnews for decades now complaining about the evils of surveillance capitalism and then when he gets the exact product he wanted he says it's too expensive because of his job.
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     Doughnut Lollipop 【記録係】:blobfoxgooglymlem: (tk@bbs.kawa-kun.com)'s status on Wednesday, 30-Aug-2023 23:03:48 JST Doughnut Lollipop 【記録係】:blobfoxgooglymlem:

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     @icedquinn @feld @lain That acronym. :blobfoxowo:
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     iced depresso (icedquinn@blob.cat)'s status on Wednesday, 30-Aug-2023 23:03:51 JST iced depresso

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     • Doughnut Lollipop 【記録係】:blobfoxgooglymlem:
     @tk @feld @lain pleroma enterprise edition
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     iced depresso (icedquinn@blob.cat)'s status on Wednesday, 30-Aug-2023 23:07:14 JST iced depresso

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     • Doughnut Lollipop 【記録係】:blobfoxgooglymlem:
     @tk @feld @lain the gold package :neocat_floof_mug:
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     on-lain ✔ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ (lain@lain.com)'s status on Wednesday, 30-Aug-2023 23:08:04 JST on-lain ✔ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

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     • Doughnut Lollipop 【記録係】:blobfoxgooglymlem:
     @tk @feld pelmora isn't a business
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     feld (feld@bikeshed.party)'s status on Wednesday, 30-Aug-2023 23:17:23 JST feld

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     The FOSS community has no circular economy so it will continue to be overpopulated by poor developers who constantly bemoan their living conditions and beg for donations on Patreon and GoFundMe
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     grillchen (grillchen@brotka.st)'s status on Wednesday, 30-Aug-2023 23:17:24 JST grillchen

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     @lain @feld mhhh im torn. i prefer foss whenever possible.
     
     i want people get paid.
     
     
     
     what i love: software i can pay for and give me actual freedom. like being open source (not free since it is paid) and no DRM foo.
     
     foss software being paid is harder to achieve and often with support subscription models or subventioned by other foo the company does
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     on-lain ✔ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ (lain@lain.com)'s status on Wednesday, 30-Aug-2023 23:20:33 JST on-lain ✔ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

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     @grillchen @feld I've seen a few Foss apps get some good money by just putting their software on the stores, too, in the same version that you can get for free.
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     Doughnut Lollipop 【記録係】:blobfoxgooglymlem: (tk@bbs.kawa-kun.com)'s status on Wednesday, 30-Aug-2023 23:25:25 JST Doughnut Lollipop 【記録係】:blobfoxgooglymlem:

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     @lain @feld Inb4 Pleroma GmbH. :blobfoxthinksmart:
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     feld (feld@bikeshed.party)'s status on Wednesday, 30-Aug-2023 23:34:05 JST feld

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     • Johnny Peligro
     There's a lot of great software out there. Open source and Linux/BSD is in my blood. But sometimes people deserve to be paid.
     
     Here's an example from the other day. A friend was looking for video capture software on Mac. Kept having troubles with all the typical open source tools. Well here's one that works great. It's ~$30.
     
     https://www.bensoftware.com/swiftcapture/
     
     Is it really that insane to give this guy $30 for making a tool that saves you a ton of time and works reliably? That would hours of time debugging why the hell ffmpeg is being buggy and nobody's fixed it for years? If you even have the expertise to figure that out? That's highly optimized for your OS/hardware and even tightly integrates with MacOS-specific features?
     
     Really?
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     Johnny Peligro (mischievoustomato@marsey.moe)'s status on Wednesday, 30-Aug-2023 23:34:07 JST Johnny Peligro

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     Also a good chunk of people in the FOSS community genuinely believe that stuff should be free as in beer, lmao.
     As I said, if the FOSS community was like the Apple community, FOSS would be actually competitive.
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     Mitch Conner (olmitch@shitposter.club)'s status on Wednesday, 30-Aug-2023 23:34:49 JST Mitch Conner

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     @mischievoustomato @feld @grillchen @lain I absolutely miss boxed Linux distros that weren't just the same compiled binaries, actual in house developed apps and embellishments added.
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     Dewoo Alt-dog (dwaltiz@pleroma.soykaf.com)'s status on Wednesday, 30-Aug-2023 23:51:26 JST Dewoo Alt-dog

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     • Doughnut Lollipop 【記録係】:blobfoxgooglymlem:
     @tk @feld @lain Pleroma Foundation 🤔
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     guizzy (in exile) (guizzy@shitposter.club)'s status on Thursday, 31-Aug-2023 00:07:02 JST guizzy (in exile)

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     @lain >I wish Google would just focus their search efforts on making a good search engine, sprinkled with some ads in the sidebar or occasionally interspersed inside the results, clearly marked.
     
     "I want small ads that I can easily ignore and never click on to pay for massive software engineering projects, this shouldn't be too hard, right?"
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     guizzy (in exile) (guizzy@shitposter.club)'s status on Thursday, 31-Aug-2023 00:10:23 JST guizzy (in exile)

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     @lain Same writer: https://www.osnews.com/story/135373/google-gives-adblockers-in-chrome-another-year-as-it-postpones-manifest-v3/
     
     > Chrome is an advertising delivery platform first and foremost, and anyone with even a hint of foresight and a disdain for ads should’ve switched to Firefox years ago. At this point, using Chrome is self-inflicted.
     
     https://www.osnews.com/story/130390/adblocking-how-about-nah/
     
     > EME is the first crack in the wall that protected browsers from those who would thwart adversarial operability and take “how about nah?” off the table, leaving us with the kind of take-it-or-leave-it Web that the marketing industry has been striving for since the first pop-up ad.
     
     https://www.osnews.com/story/26862/google-removes-adblockers-from-play-store/
     
     > As for adblocking in and of itself – I never had much of a problem with it, despite OSNews running (a very limited set of) ads. In the end, your computer is your own, and you, and only you, get to decide what gets stored in your RAM or what gets displayed on your screen. If you do not want ads on your computer, then you have the right to block them client-side.
     
     https://www.osnews.com/story/30762/the-effect-of-ad-blocking-on-user-engagement-with-the-web/
     
     > I, too, use ad blockers on all my browsers and devices – and I can safely say that if ad blockers didn’t exist, I’d be spending a lot less time reading websites online. Note that this study was performed by Mozilla employees.
     
     
     I could keep going...
     
     So... Other, dumber people should watch ads and make his services free. Not him though.
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     Mitch Conner (olmitch@shitposter.club)'s status on Thursday, 31-Aug-2023 00:23:51 JST Mitch Conner

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     @grillchen @feld @lain @mischievoustomato
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     Mitch Conner (olmitch@shitposter.club)'s status on Thursday, 31-Aug-2023 00:23:52 JST Mitch Conner

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     @grillchen @feld @lain @mischievoustomato on my cell phone OK :0040:
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     grillchen (grillchen@brotka.st)'s status on Thursday, 31-Aug-2023 00:23:52 JST grillchen

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     @olmitch @feld @lain @mischievoustomato :comfyyes:
     
     gentoo also runs as a prefix on other systems like android based foo or linux based foo (pmos for example)
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     grillchen (grillchen@brotka.st)'s status on Thursday, 31-Aug-2023 00:23:53 JST grillchen

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     @mischievoustomato @feld @lain @olmitch just use :gentowo:
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     Johnny Peligro (mischievoustomato@marsey.moe)'s status on Thursday, 31-Aug-2023 00:23:54 JST Johnny Peligro

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     i dont like using derivative distros.
     > distrobox / podman
     doesn't feel right imo. I'd have to use arch and arch also sucks balls
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     Mitch Conner (olmitch@shitposter.club)'s status on Thursday, 31-Aug-2023 00:23:55 JST Mitch Conner

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     @mischievoustomato @feld @grillchen @lain there's always distrobox you could install that inside fedora. Or better yet use this https://nobaraproject.org/
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     Johnny Peligro (mischievoustomato@marsey.moe)'s status on Thursday, 31-Aug-2023 00:23:56 JST Johnny Peligro

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     I just wish I could use fedora and that there would be much more packagers packaging shit on it so I wouldn't have to use flatpak or nixos (brain currently too small for it)
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     on-lain ✔ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ (lain@lain.com)'s status on Thursday, 31-Aug-2023 01:42:52 JST on-lain ✔ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

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     @RyokoPilled he is, may allah forgive me, a europ*an
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     RyokoPilled (ryokopilled@freespeechextremist.com)'s status on Thursday, 31-Aug-2023 01:42:53 JST RyokoPilled

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     @lain "it sure sucks googles results are bad but I'm not going to mention the reason they suck is the massive amounts of censorship" lol did a bugman write this?