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   Susan, Abbey and Finnegan (susan77@mas.to)'s status on Monday, 28-Aug-2023 04:14:28 JST Susan, Abbey and Finnegan

   Molly Crabapple, artist and activist:

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     Juno Jove (jupiter@mastodon.gamedev.place)'s status on Thursday, 31-Aug-2023 22:09:40 JST Juno Jove

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     • Shoku the MN Wolf 🏳️‍🌈
     • Xavier

     @xavierck @TheMNWolf @susan77

     As a human, I can assure you: I, too, have no idea what I am doing.

     (also as someone who studied cognitive neuroscience and ML in university)

     If anything, LLMs, GANs, and Diffusion Models have shown just how mundane the process of making Art for hire is. And it was already pervasively commoditized.

     What counts is the idea, the inspiration. The _prompt_ from which all output ultimately comes.

     It's terrifying, humbling even. Good. Mankind deserves to be humbled.

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     Xavier (xavierck@mastodon.gamedev.place)'s status on Thursday, 31-Aug-2023 22:09:46 JST Xavier

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     • Shoku the MN Wolf 🏳️‍🌈

     @TheMNWolf @susan77 AI generators are essentially applied statistical models, so even calling them "artificial intelligence" is a misnomer. They basically take a bunch of input, find commonalities attached to keywords and other variables, then spit out something that looks statistically like their input.

     A statistical model doesn't have any idea what it's doing; it can't have an idea at all because it doesn't think or have any senses.

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     Shoku the MN Wolf 🏳️‍🌈 (themnwolf@meow.social)'s status on Thursday, 31-Aug-2023 22:09:48 JST Shoku the MN Wolf 🏳️‍🌈

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     @susan77 I fully recognize that people do not like AI generated content. But can someone explain to me how the way an AI image generator is trained is different from how a human artist gets inspiration and learns?

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     Christiaan Moleman (ninjadodo@mastodon.gamedev.place)'s status on Thursday, 31-Aug-2023 22:10:03 JST Christiaan Moleman

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     @jupiter This is some galaxy brain bullshit. You clearly do not have the slightest idea what art or creativity is or how artists work.

     "What counts is the idea, the inspiration. The _prompt_ "

     HAHA... no. A prompt is worth *nothing* ... it's keywords in a search engine. You create nothing.

     Fuck all the way off.

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     Mivey (mivey@meta.masto.host)'s status on Thursday, 31-Aug-2023 22:10:47 JST Mivey

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     • Shoku the MN Wolf 🏳️‍🌈
     • Juno Jove
     • Xavier

     @jupiter @xavierck @TheMNWolf @susan77 Even a five year old child is capable of learning simple logical rules and operating on them. Stove is hot, burns my hands, I shouldn't touch stove ever again. (Maybe a bad example as it might traumatise a bit). None of these models that you mention does any kind of reasoning. Of course intelligence is about more than just simple, cold reasoning, but at the same time, "intelligence" devoid of any verifiable, testable reasoning is not intelligent at all.

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     Leaf 🏳️‍⚧️ (magneticcrow@wandering.shop)'s status on Thursday, 31-Aug-2023 22:10:59 JST Leaf 🏳️‍⚧️

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     • Shoku the MN Wolf 🏳️‍🌈

     @TheMNWolf Human artists synthesize what they learn from inspiration, their creativity is in a constant cultural conversation with other artists, writers, history and current events, the natural world etc, part of a community and a legacy with meaning and comprehension of context and growth. Comparing what “ai” does to human innovation is downright offensive, it’s literally a plagiarism machine that simply mashes together existing input without any understanding of what it’s doing.