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   Space Rogue (spacerog@mastodon.social)'s status on Friday, 18-Aug-2023 03:56:43 JST Space Rogue

   I normally don't cross post but this is an important comment.

   https://twitter.com/KimZetter/status/1691814123644874772?s=20

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     pettter (pettter@mastodon.acc.umu.se)'s status on Friday, 18-Aug-2023 03:56:41 JST pettter

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     @spacerog @defcon Honestly, looking across the pond I don't think american hackers were ever as countercultural or anti-establishment as they might have wanted to see themselves as being. Not sure if Euro hackers were much better, but at least to me there's always been a much more clearly stated political angle to European hackerdom.

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     Space Rogue (spacerog@mastodon.social)'s status on Friday, 18-Aug-2023 03:56:42 JST Space Rogue

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     To be fair @defcon has changed A LOT over 30 years. Expecting it to be the same forever is an exercise in futility. That’s OK. DC should morph, grow, change and be expected, even encouraged to change. But there is an image, an expectation, perpetuated by the media, and ourselves, of a techno-counter culture that IMO is no longer present at DEFCON. Thats OK! If you drink up the media and expect that version, if you go wanting the mythology of the past, you will be very disappointed.

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     pettter (pettter@mastodon.acc.umu.se)'s status on Friday, 18-Aug-2023 03:58:48 JST pettter

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     @spacerog @defcon It might have been different in the 90s though, I've been mostly aware of the internal stuff only since the mid-00s or so.

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     Space Rogue (spacerog@mastodon.social)'s status on Friday, 18-Aug-2023 04:22:49 JST Space Rogue

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     @hollowone @defcon hacking is politics is hacking. If you think otherwise, then you haven’t been paying attention.

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     h-1^[legacy] (hollowone@graphics.social)'s status on Friday, 18-Aug-2023 04:22:55 JST h-1^[legacy]

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     @spacerog @defcon just please don’t say it’s like 2600.. more about politics than root topic it ought to stay focused on..

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