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feld (feld@bikeshed.party)'s status on Friday, 11-Aug-2023 00:33:38 JST feld
vanishing messages only worked in a close ecosystem where users can't defeat it by changing the code to ignore the self-destruction -
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Strypey (strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz)'s status on Friday, 11-Aug-2023 00:33:41 JST Strypey
@dick_turpin So now that I think about it, my whole thread was kind of nonsense. But when I said Vanishing Messages, I was thinking of some of the particular implementations from other apps like Wire, that some people like, and want fedi apps to add.
As I said in my conclusion, this is a lot of effort for minimal return, and IMNSHO we have much higher dev priorities (eg portable accounts, better moderation and opt-in search tools).
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Strypey (strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz)'s status on Friday, 11-Aug-2023 00:33:42 JST Strypey
@dick_turpin
> Most users are not as technically skilled as you or II thank you for your assumption that I am technically skilled : )
> they would expect to be able to go to the offender's profile and go, "There! SEE!"
The fediverse has post deletion. It federates, but we have to trust every server that's received it to honour it. Some people have tools that auto-delete their posts after X time. Trolls can also use Block (on accounts and whole servers) to revoke access to their posts.
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dick_turpin (dick_turpin@mastodon.org.uk)'s status on Friday, 11-Aug-2023 00:33:43 JST dick_turpin
@strypey Most users are not as technically skilled as you or I; they would expect to be able to go to the offender's profile and go, "There! SEE!"
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Strypey (strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz)'s status on Friday, 11-Aug-2023 00:33:44 JST Strypey
@dick_turpin
> It allows people to do harm without fear of the offending Toot being producedScreenshots?
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dick_turpin (dick_turpin@mastodon.org.uk)'s status on Friday, 11-Aug-2023 00:33:45 JST dick_turpin
@strypey I'm not in favour. It allows people to do harm without fear of the offending Toot being produced.
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Strypey (strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz)'s status on Friday, 11-Aug-2023 00:33:46 JST Strypey
I've been seeing a few requests for Vanishing Message (or "self-destructing messages") for the fediverse. So I think it's important to say this, as simply and clearly as possible...
Vanishing Messages are Privacy Theatre:
What's Privacy Theatre? Like Security Theatre for privacy:
https://flameeyes.blog/2014/07/22/privacy-theatre/
Why do I say that Vanishing Messages are Privacy Theatre?
Let's unpack this a bit...
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