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   Jérémie Zimmermann🎶💗🧀🫖5946 (jz@mamot.fr)'s status on Thursday, 10-Aug-2023 19:59:31 JST Jérémie Zimmermann🎶💗🧀🫖5946

   Problems we are having with #Signal:
   * It is and will remain centralized (clear strategy of *not* federating servers)
   * It requires strong identifiers/selectors (phone#) to use
   * Author disallows distribution by anyone but Google, although free/libre
   * It keeps pushing away verification of fingerprint in interface
   * It relies on Google+Amazon infrastructure
   * Its funding is shady (OTF = Radio Free Asia = USG)

   = clearly unethical choices, unjustifiable by accessibility or technological reasons.

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     ~n (nblr@chaos.social)'s status on Thursday, 10-Aug-2023 20:00:19 JST ~n

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     @jz Thanks for this infrequent reminder.
     Also, there’s this nugget that did it for me, back then. Obviously flawed reasoning.

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     Jérémie Zimmermann🎶💗🧀🫖5946 (jz@mamot.fr)'s status on Thursday, 10-Aug-2023 20:01:06 JST Jérémie Zimmermann🎶💗🧀🫖5946

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     • juul

     @juul It's only because of character-limitation (and because the initial toot was from 2018), but yes, it has been added in the subsequent thread...

     their "non-googlified" version on their website, last time i checked (a while ago) wouldnt download without..... activating some javascript from google.com (!!! authentic, i double-checked because i was so flabbergasted!)

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     juul (juul@mastodon.xyz)'s status on Thursday, 10-Aug-2023 20:01:08 JST juul

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     @jz Surprised you didn't mention that the founder used Signal to boost his own cryptocurrency by integrating it into Signal in secret while skirting FTC regulation in a shady way and they managed to do this with no whistleblowing from any devs that I'm aware of. Any trust in Signal and Moxy as an org and person should be dead by now. In the other direction I'd point out that they do distribute a non-googlified version on their website but it's a bit shitty that they refuse to put it on F-droid.