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   BowserNoodle ☦️ (bowsacnoodle@poa.st)'s status on Thursday, 10-Aug-2023 02:04:13 JST BowserNoodle ☦️
   @honkwerx Pretty neat. From what I recall, the big deal about Fatima was its prediction well in advance. I've little skin in the game as to whether or not it was a miracle event, or divine revelation or anything rlse, but it convinced a fair number of skeptics and was a notable event. I wouldn't dismiss it as people simply staring at the sun.
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     BowserNoodle ☦️ (bowsacnoodle@poa.st)'s status on Thursday, 10-Aug-2023 02:15:59 JST BowserNoodle ☦️

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     @GlennAshtear @honkwerx Honestly I have no idea. I know it's a big deal for a lot of Roman Catholics, because it's a documented event in the modern age with a ton of people waiting to prove it right or wrong, and many doubters and skeptics are alleged to have seen it and came to faith. I don't try to deboonk miracles, but I also don't try to go around looking for Jesus in my toast. The circumstances around Fatima, specifically that it was a prophecied event months before, make it interesting.
     >Beginning in the spring of 1916, three Catholic shepherd children living near Fátima reported apparitions of an angel, and starting in May 1917, apparitions of the Virgin Mary, whom the children described as the Lady of the Rosary. The children reported a prophecy that prayer would lead to an end to the Great War, and that on 13 October of that year the Lady would reveal her identity and perform a miracle "so that all may believe."
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     Glenn Ashtear (glennashtear@poa.st)'s status on Thursday, 10-Aug-2023 02:16:00 JST Glenn Ashtear

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     @BowsacNoodle @honkwerx An example of prelest, perhaps?
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     Glenn Ashtear (glennashtear@poa.st)'s status on Thursday, 10-Aug-2023 03:31:35 JST Glenn Ashtear

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     @BowsacNoodle @honkwerx IDK either. I've not looked into Fatima that much. I did some research into the visions happening in Medjurgorje years ago before I came into Orthodoxy. Still not sure what to make of it either. While I'm still new to the Church, I have yet to hear of any of our saints having visitations of the Theotokos.
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     BowserNoodle ☦️ (bowsacnoodle@poa.st)'s status on Thursday, 10-Aug-2023 03:39:47 JST BowserNoodle ☦️

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     @GlennAshtear @honkwerx I am always skeptical of any spiritual encounters simply because they can lead to pride. I feel like the prophet Samuel approach is a rather good way to look at it; assume its something else and tell God you're here if He needs you. Some of the desert fathers wrote about how they'd battle demonic oppression and be tricked into letting their guard down only for it to come back stronger after they'd let their guard down and become 'proud' of "their" accomplishment (paraphrasing). I wish I had the excerpts handy to share on that, and hope I'm not misremembering. I'm also open to the idea of God speaking or showing in a way people will receive His message. I don't discount the possibly of The Theotokos appearing at Guadalupe, for example, but I also don't base my faith on such things.