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   Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell: (lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me)'s status on Wednesday, 09-Aug-2023 04:12:06 JST Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell:
   0 days since last speculative execution issue.
   
   (https://lwn.net/Articles/940783/ posted today)
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     Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell: (lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me)'s status on Wednesday, 09-Aug-2023 04:13:18 JST Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell:

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     I so want out of x86…
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     Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell: (lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me)'s status on Wednesday, 09-Aug-2023 04:20:47 JST Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell:

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     Sadly ARM are still a lot of glorified not-so-open-source / open-spec embedded-centric boards and RISC-V isn't yet something I could really bet on given the lack of decent hardware.
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     Sexy Moon (moon@shitposter.club)'s status on Wednesday, 09-Aug-2023 04:24:15 JST Sexy Moon

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     @lanodan A lot of source stuff doesn't compile on this M2 Macintosh...
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     Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell: (lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me)'s status on Wednesday, 09-Aug-2023 04:24:54 JST Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell:

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     • lauren n. liberda
     @selfisekai And IIRC it's not mainline nor generic-boot-able (such as having UEFI on an SPI flash), so for me it's about as useful as a tamagotchi.
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     lauren n. liberda (selfisekai@social.hackerspace.pl)'s status on Wednesday, 09-Aug-2023 04:24:56 JST lauren n. liberda

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     @lanodan there is a RISC-V based laptop but the prices are so fucked up https://www.alibaba.com/product-detail/DC-ROMA-RISC-V-Development-Laptop_1600610157163.html

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     Denis Drakhnyan (numas13@suya.place)'s status on Wednesday, 09-Aug-2023 18:29:46 JST Denis Drakhnyan

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     @lanodan
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     Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell: (lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me)'s status on Wednesday, 09-Aug-2023 18:46:47 JST Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell:

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     • Maciej "XGQT" Barć
     @xgqt @selfisekai [citation needed]
     I'd worry more about hardware backdoor in Chinese products than software or worse SaaS stuff where USA has long proven to be untrustworthy.
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     Maciej "XGQT" Barć (xgqt@emacs.ch)'s status on Wednesday, 09-Aug-2023 18:46:48 JST Maciej "XGQT" Barć

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     @selfisekai @lanodan

     and the Chinese backdoors in preinstalled firmware are worse than CIA's in Intel

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     Komnene (komnene@cawfee.club)'s status on Wednesday, 09-Aug-2023 18:54:57 JST Komnene

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     @numas13 @lanodan
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     Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell: (lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me)'s status on Wednesday, 09-Aug-2023 18:57:24 JST Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell:

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     • Maddie (NEW! FUNKY MODE!) :verifiedtrans:
     @mjdxp I'd rather get a sparc.
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     Maddie (NEW! FUNKY MODE!) :verifiedtrans: (mjdxp@0w0.is)'s status on Wednesday, 09-Aug-2023 18:57:25 JST Maddie (NEW! FUNKY MODE!) :verifiedtrans:

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     @lanodan embrace itanium /j
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     Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell: (lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me)'s status on Wednesday, 09-Aug-2023 18:58:53 JST Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell:

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     • Maddie (NEW! FUNKY MODE!) :verifiedtrans:
     @mjdxp But well if I'm going to break the bank, Talos workstation or Ampere Workstation are probably better choices.
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     Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell: (lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me)'s status on Wednesday, 09-Aug-2023 19:01:56 JST Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell:

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     @coolbeans PowerPC would be fine for server/workstation I guess but the cost is eye watering.
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     bean (coolbeans@misskey.heonian.org)'s status on Wednesday, 09-Aug-2023 19:01:57 JST bean

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     @lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me powerpc maybe? not really much consumer hardware for that anymore though
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     hehe silly string

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     ロミンちゃん (romin@shitposter.club)'s status on Wednesday, 09-Aug-2023 19:05:16 JST ロミンちゃん

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     @lanodan that's it, I'm going back to AVR.
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     mk (mk@mastodon.satoshishop.de)'s status on Wednesday, 09-Aug-2023 19:06:29 JST mk

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     • Denis Drakhnyan

     @numas13 @lanodan

     yeah it's shit, but we needed to put these no-such-agency backdoors inside !!!!1

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     pistolero :thispersondoesnotexist: (p@freespeechextremist.com)'s status on Wednesday, 09-Aug-2023 19:08:12 JST pistolero :thispersondoesnotexist:

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     @romin @lanodan Holy fucking shit.
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     Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell: (lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me)'s status on Wednesday, 09-Aug-2023 19:09:06 JST Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell:

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     @romin Well maybe most peripherals ought to but ARM has been pretty fine by comparison.
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     ロミンちゃん (romin@shitposter.club)'s status on Wednesday, 09-Aug-2023 19:25:37 JST ロミンちゃん

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     @lanodan next rockpi's going to be my future workstation at this point
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     Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell: (lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me)'s status on Wednesday, 09-Aug-2023 19:45:05 JST Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell:

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     • lauren n. liberda
     @p @selfisekai Mainline or gtfo for a real computer though, I have enough devices that are about as much computer as a TI calculator because you're stuck to vendor software.
     
     Also not sure what's up with their bootloader stuff https://github.com/milkv-pioneer/bootloader/blob/master/buildroot/.defconfig
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     pistolero :thispersondoesnotexist: (p@freespeechextremist.com)'s status on Wednesday, 09-Aug-2023 19:45:06 JST pistolero :thispersondoesnotexist:

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     • lauren n. liberda
     @selfisekai @lanodan ClockworkPi has been shipping RISC-V CPUs as an option in their devices. There are a few RISC-V systems shipping, chip manufacturers are starting to pick it up as an alternative to licensing ARM. Milk-V is attempting a really beefy one: https://liliputing.com/milk-v-pioneer-is-a-64-core-risc-v-workstation-for-1199-and-up-crowdfunding/ .
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     Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell: (lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me)'s status on Wednesday, 09-Aug-2023 19:59:53 JST Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell:

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     • lauren n. liberda
     @p @selfisekai
     https://milkv.io/docs/pioneer/faq
     > The CPU idle power is about 68W.
     
     I think that's quite high…
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     pistolero :thispersondoesnotexist: (p@freespeechextremist.com)'s status on Wednesday, 09-Aug-2023 20:03:23 JST pistolero :thispersondoesnotexist:

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     • lauren n. liberda
     @lanodan @selfisekai That is a bit obscene. They did call it the "Pioneer", though. I don't expect much polish on it. I barely expect the RISC-V board I ordered from CPi to work correctly when it (finally) arrives.
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     Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell: (lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me)'s status on Wednesday, 09-Aug-2023 20:06:25 JST Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell:

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     • lauren n. liberda
     @p @selfisekai Yeah, I'd just go with devboards for now, I guess those workstation boards are more for like OS developers wanting to make sure peripherals/drivers work, plus a build server that's not slow as balls.
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     pistolero :thispersondoesnotexist: (p@freespeechextremist.com)'s status on Wednesday, 09-Aug-2023 20:07:12 JST pistolero :thispersondoesnotexist:

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     @icedquinn @lanodan @selfisekai
     
     https://milkv.io/docs/pioneer/getting-started/InstallOS
     
     Non-x86 system vendor allow booting from regular SATA drive. (Difficulty: IMPOSSIBLE)
     
     But, I mean, it is the first. You expect a lot of rough edges.
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     iced depresso (icedquinn@blob.cat)'s status on Wednesday, 09-Aug-2023 20:07:14 JST iced depresso

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     • lauren n. liberda
     @lanodan @p @selfisekai :blobcatglare2: what the fuck.
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     Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell: (lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me)'s status on Wednesday, 09-Aug-2023 20:08:04 JST Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell:

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     • lauren n. liberda
     @p @icedquinn @selfisekai I'd be fine with just slapping u-boot with an UEFI payload or coreboot on an SD Card though.
     But it doesn't seems like what they intend.
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     pistolero :thispersondoesnotexist: (p@freespeechextremist.com)'s status on Wednesday, 09-Aug-2023 20:13:46 JST pistolero :thispersondoesnotexist:

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     @lanodan @selfisekai
     
     > Yeah, I'd just go with devboards for now,
     
     Yeah, seems reasonable. I do think it's kind of cool that someone is making this shit now.
     
     > plus a build server that's not slow as balls.
     
     :kenbw: Everything cross-compiles. The hardest part is remembering which letter means which CPU.
     :rms: You have to recompile the compiler for every combination of CPU/board/OS and shove it somewhere in /opt.
     ArmLinuxGnuEabihf.png
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     Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell: (lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me)'s status on Wednesday, 09-Aug-2023 20:17:19 JST Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell:

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     • lauren n. liberda
     @p @selfisekai Building stuff also often means having to run non-native binaries, specially for testsuites which ought to be ran on real hardware.
     (And QEMU binfmt is really slow, like if I was making stuff for sparc64 I'd probably use my Sun Blade 150)
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     Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell: (lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me)'s status on Wednesday, 09-Aug-2023 20:27:10 JST Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell:

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     • lauren n. liberda
     @p @selfisekai I'd still wish cross-compiling wasn't hell though, this way you could use distcc across any of your machines regardless of the architecture.
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     pistolero :thispersondoesnotexist: (p@freespeechextremist.com)'s status on Wednesday, 09-Aug-2023 20:27:11 JST pistolero :thispersondoesnotexist:

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     • lauren n. liberda
     @lanodan @selfisekai
     
     > specially for testsuites which ought to be ran on real hardware.
     
     Fair enough.